• moojacob 3 months ago |
    I'm incredibly excited Nutrient-dense GMOs.Imagine a world where produce is not only cheaper, but healthier.

    Unfortunately there are special interest groups who have twisted public opinion.

    Over 1 million kids die every year due to Vitamin A deficiency. Some of these groups are trying to ban Golden Rice, GMO rice infused with viatamin A (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/25/...).

    • lithos 3 months ago |
      More likely to follow the exact path that selected breeding did. Shelf life, increased size, herbicide immunity, and similar at all other costs.
      • safety1st 3 months ago |
        The opinion of an expert in the article directly contradicts your cynicism.

        > The push for nutrient-dense GMOs is a recent trend, says Kathleen Hefferon, a microbiologist at Cornell University. The first wave of GMOs were for staple crops that were easier to grow.

        > "There was a real push of trying to achieve food security for a lot of populaces in developing countries and usually that involved making these staple crops that grew better, such as rice and corn and wheat and things like this," she explained.

        > A transgenic papaya was introduced to combat a virus that was destroying the crops in Hawaii. It's largely credited with saving the industry on the islands. There were also crops to increase nutritional value for populations in developing countries. Golden rice was developed in the late 1990s to have more beta-carotene to combat Vitamin A deficiencies. Because of practical and regulatory issues, the crop never took off.

        > The trend now is for biofortified foods, like the Purple Tomato.

    • rhcom2 3 months ago |
      There are no doubt groups against all GMOs but Monsanto definitely deserves some credit for linking GMOs with awful business and ethical practices.
      • coin 3 months ago |
        What specifically?
        • fragmede 3 months ago |
          that whole suing farmers for patent infringement for using seeds from their own fields that were contaminated by the neighbor's Monsanto plants thing sticks out for me.
          • coin 3 months ago |
            I think the case you're referring to is Monsanto Canada Inc v Schmeiser. It often gets misreported that Schmeiser was sued simply for his field having been contaminated from his neighbor. The reality is that while Schmeiser's field did have some cross pollination of his neighbor's Roundup Ready canola, he intentionally applied Roundup thereby killing off his own non-RR plants. He then kept the remaining pure RR canola and replanted it on a much larger scale.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc_v_Schmeise...

            • fragmede 3 months ago |
              The reality is that the seeds were on his land, and they're seeds. It seems wrong that to sue someone for that in the first place, and then furthermore to win the case just seems wrong. The fact that he used Roundup to get the right seeds isn't this gotcha that changes public opinion. As children, before we're taught economics, we learn farmers plant seeds to grow corn to feed us. Suing the farmer for planting seeds hurts this very basic role we learned as kids. Of course the world is more complicated than the world we learned of at seven, but this is a farmer planting seeds.

              That bit in India also sounds horrible.

              • Suppafly 3 months ago |
                >It seems wrong that to sue someone for that in the first place, and then furthermore to win the case just seems wrong.

                That's a lot of 'seems' that ignores that last hundred years or so modern farming and the case law around seed patents that has existed since the 30s.

                > As children, before we're taught economics, we learn farmers plant seeds to grow corn to feed us. Suing the farmer for planting seeds hurts this very basic role we learned as kids.

                Generally anytime someone's argument is based around an appeal to emotions, you can be they aren't dealing with reality and logical thinking. Doubly so when you're talking about planting corn when discussing a case about canola.

            • nilamo 3 months ago |
              This reads like you're a lawyer for Monsanto, as if a massive organization sueing an individual farmer over such meaningless drivel should be considered acceptable practice.
            • Suppafly 3 months ago |
              Yeah I'm always surprised when anyone that's actually bothered to read the details of the case comes off thinking Monsanto is the bad guy in this situation. They irrationally hate Monsanto so much that they are willing to pretend that no amount of crime against them is wrong, it's bizarre. I think a lot of it is due to being ignorant to the last hundred years or so of how modern farming works. A lot of the complaints I hear about them have no basis in reality at all. I'm not a fan of the company but really they are no more evil than any company that I am a fan of.
        • slv77 3 months ago |
          Monsanto engineered several crops to create their own insecticides with genes from bacillus thuringiensis (BT). BT corn was approved by regulators for corn not intended for human consumption.

          In practice it became impossible to keep BT corn out of the food supply. With corn as a staple crop and the international trade in corn everyone on the planet became a test case.

          There was controversy on the impact of corn pollen on non-target species, including monarchs and lady-birds/lady bugs and bees. Follow-up studies didn’t show significant impact in quantities likely to be encountered in the field.

          All GMs have risk of pollen drift and the risk of gene spread. Farmers growing non-BT corn for export may have their crops rejected in some markets if contaminated. Corn cross pollinates with a genetic ancestor of corn in South America which is considered a weed because it can cause domestic corn kernels to not develop properly. There is some risk of gene transfer and creating a “super” weed.

          https://ejbpc.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41938-018-0...

          https://ohioline.osu.edu/factsheet/agf-153

    • helloworld42024 3 months ago |
      So you're saying because 1 Million children die every year is due to Vitamin A you believe the answer is genetically modify rice rather than actually feed the children a balanced diet of Vitamin A enriched foods (carrots, sweet potatoes, spinach, kale...?) or even supplements?

      I suppose in theory we can put every nutrient needed known to man in a grain of rice one day.

      But just because you could, does it mean you should? I suppose this opens up a much more broader discussion of morals, ethics and potentially alogical topics of conversation.

      • tedunangst 3 months ago |
        It's easier to meet the people where they are. If they eat rice, feed them better rice.
        • helloworld42024 3 months ago |
          "Sorry we are having trucking difficulties and supply problems at the moment. Please take your daily serving of 1-cup all nutrient dense supplied food called Rice®™℠. Remember be grateful to your {INSERT ENTITY HERE}"

          ...And remember kids "It's easier to meet the people where they are!"

          • fragmede 3 months ago |
            Meeting people where they are dates to the 1940's, when we started putting iodine, iron and other additives into food with a significant impact in reducing disease like goiter and anemia all over the world.

            The Lucky Iron Fish is a good story in this area.

          • kurthr 3 months ago |
            They already know how to grow, transport, store, and cook rice. Just give them the seeds.

            I think you're the one proposing to supply "Vitamin A enriched foods (carrots, sweet potatoes, spinach, kale...?)", which they may not know how to grow, transport, store, or cook.

      • klyrs 3 months ago |
        Vitamin-A enriched foods are indeed a solution that can be implemented by swapping a single component of an ecosystem rather than the complete overhaul that you're proposing.
        • helloworld42024 3 months ago |
          Sure, I mean - let's just simplify the whole system. 1 Cup of genetically infused full daily-meal Rice®™℠ for every single person on the planet. One cup sized serving portion of nutrient material. Yum.
          • fragmede 3 months ago |
            You have heard of Soylent and Huel, right?
          • klyrs 3 months ago |
            No. Don't redesign the whole system! Why do people have that reflex?
          • big-green-man 3 months ago |
            "Yum" is not the point though, it's avoiding malnutrition, starvation and death. Maslow's hierarchy of needs and all that, survive first, then later when they're not dead they can worry about producing culinary delights.
      • sfifs 3 months ago |
        Arguably yes. In this day and age of prosperity and technological development of our species, isn't it unethical and morally depraved to let children to die of malnutrition when a simple change could help?

        Iodine enrichment of salt achieved much the same in so many countries.

      • NotMichaelBay 3 months ago |
        Fortifying foods with nutrients is not a new concept (bread, cereals, etc), and I don't have any studies on hand but my assumption is that since it's been done for decades, it must have noticeable benefits to public health.
      • coin 3 months ago |
        > rather than actually feed the children a balanced diet of Vitamin A enriched foods (carrots, sweet potatoes, spinach, kale...?) or even supplements?

        As if no one has ever thought of this and it's just that simple.

      • VMG 3 months ago |
        Obviously the answer is yes
      • nilamo 3 months ago |
        Consider Mars. Starting a colony would require a minimum amount of material to be sent. The more densely packed those seeds are with nutrients, the better.
      • big-green-man 3 months ago |
        Starvation is an acute problem for those living with it. They need to not die right now. So yes, absolutely we should do it. The converse is saying to them "it's better for you to have a balanced diet, which is harder to do, so you're just going to have to starve." Just solve the problem they're living with in the cheapest, easiest way possible, and then improve the overall picture when the situation isn't so dire.
      • pawelmurias 3 months ago |
        If you could make such a rice it would be awesome.
      • Suppafly 3 months ago |
        >So you're saying because 1 Million children die every year is due to Vitamin A you believe the answer is genetically modify rice rather than actually feed the children a balanced diet of Vitamin A enriched foods (carrots, sweet potatoes, spinach, kale...?) or even supplements?

        Yes.

      • hollerith 3 months ago |
        >Vitamin A enriched foods (carrots, sweet potatoes, spinach, kale...?)

        And oily fish, liver, cheese, and butter.

  • kaikai 3 months ago |
    I’m surprised they didn’t mention the kerfuffle with Baker Creek Seeds and their Purple Galaxy tomatoes.

    They’re a seed company that’s explicitly anti-GMO, and came out with a nearly identical tomato to Norfolks. At first they doubled down and said they’d tested for gene markers and were certain their variety was non-GMO, but eventually they pulled it from the catalogue after being contacted by Norfolk.

    • Suppafly 3 months ago |
      Interesting. There is plenty of market for different varieties of tomatoes so if they weren't at all related to Norfolks, I wonder why they pulled them.
  • pvaldes 3 months ago |
    Very interesting how they divest the focus into the gardeners and not into the creators of the tomato. The common title would be sort of: "Scientists make a genetically modified purple tomato made with snapdragon DNA", but that could attract criticism. Its all about the message that you want convey.

    On the other hand probably the gen is harmless. I assume that everybody ate it yet for decades on blue tomatoes without growing a second head. The snapdragon was moved to the family Plantaginaceae, that as a whole is not great-not terrible in terms of chemistry defenses, but is still a relative of the foxglove that definitely is very dangerous.

    Wild black tomatoes with black flesh are poisonous normally, so this move is a little like selecting a white carrot and losing the advantage that "if is orange, is not hemlock".

    • bitshiftfaced 3 months ago |
      I was under the impression that the title wanted to emphasize how this GMO seed has made it to market and can be grown freely by anyone.
  • mensetmanusman 3 months ago |
    Can’t wait until we understand genetics enough to have dinosaurs that pick bubblegum tomatoes for us as servants.
  • femto 3 months ago |
    How would this sit with home gardeners' penchant for seed saving and sharing, given that it's covered by a patent (US8802925B2)? As kaikai's comment notes, this patent has already been wielded.

    https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=c050f213-54bd...

    • nkurz 3 months ago |
      Norfolk (the developer) has graciously granted permission to home gardeners to save and share seeds:

      Will my Purple Tomato fruit make seeds? If I save the seeds, will they be viable and will the plants be the same Purple Tomato plants?

      Yes, this variety will produce fruit with seeds. The seeds will be viable and will produce Purple Tomato plants. Growers can save the seeds and enjoy the plants and fruits in your home garden and with your local community. The same Terms and Conditions apply to future generations.

      https://www.norfolkhealthyproduce.com/faqs

      Personally, I've got six plants started that are all doing well. If they taste good and are as beautiful as the pictures, I plan to save seeds.

      • userbinator 3 months ago |
        The same Terms and Conditions apply to future generations

        Fruit that comes with an EULA? WTF.

        • coin 3 months ago |
          Plants have various IP protections including patents, royalties and Plant Variety Protection Act.
        • Suppafly 3 months ago |
          Seed patents have existed for 100 years, just because you don't really think about until a story like this is published doesn't mean it's not a thing.
  • benkuykendall 3 months ago |
    Hmm... but does it taste good? If I'm growing my own tomatoes, I'm going for something delicious like a Pink Brandywine or Cherokee Purple (which, compared to this specimen, is admittedly more brownish red than purple).
    • r2_pilot 3 months ago |
      I just picked some of my first Purple tomato harvest the other day, they taste identical to regular cherry tomatoes (according to both my mom and me; I will be giving a few more from the second harvest to some other friends and coworkers).
  • sciencesama 3 months ago |
    Where can i get seeds !!??
    • r2_pilot 3 months ago |
      At this point Norfolk Healthy Produce aren't selling any more this year (pretty late in the growing season although I just started some seeds today from the remains of an animal theft just to see what happens). Your best bet for this year is to find someone local who is growing and get a tomato from them (local sharing is allowed; the terms and conditions follow the seed regardless of how you acquire). Or they'll sell packs of seeds again this winter/spring, I'm sure. I've really enjoyed growing mine, although we had a late cold snap that left me with only 2 plants. If they had allowed me to get two packs of 10 seeds, I would have.
  • tedunangst 3 months ago |
    > In a research published in Nature, Martin found that mice who ate a diet supplemented with purple tomatoes lived 30% longer than those who didn't.

    Do humans who eat more blueberries than tomatoes live longer?

    Second thought: given all the ways we have to extend mice lifespans by 30% I'm surprised we don't have effectively immortal mice yet.

  • Carrok 3 months ago |
    The anti-GMO movement is so frustrating to me. I ask people why they are against it and all they can say is "pesticides". I say, ok, but aside from that mostly unrelated issue, what is actually bad about improving food? Crickets "It's just bad! Something something Monsanto!"

    It comes from the same anti-science crowd that pushes things like crystals, sound healing, raiki, and astrology.

    Yes, I live in the Boulder, CO area, how did you guess?

    FTA:

    > Of course, some people have raised health concerns around eating GMOs, but studies since these foods were introduced three decades ago do not show any harm. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration concludes there is not a health risk to eating GM foods currently on the market.

    • kyleperik 3 months ago |
      The most prevalent use of GMOs in agriculture by far is resistance to roundup herbicide, enabling free use to knock out other weeds. Other GMOs are rarely viable on the wider market, likely because natural mutation and selection are just more efficient for improving varieties.

      > what is actually bad about improving food?

      With that said, I'd suggest you reconsider your opposite premise that GMOs invariably improve food.

      I agree your mentioned echo chambers are unhelpful, just try to avoid feeding into it with equally uninformed opinions.

      • Carrok 3 months ago |
        Just because people use it one way, does not mean it is not useful in other ways.

        Please, inform my opinion. I am always open to new data, as we all should be.

    • lukaslalinsky 3 months ago |
      The main thing is that you can't really know the long-term effects of changing the biodiversity on the planet. It's fairly common that extensive plant breading is producing plants that are less healthy, more prone to diseases. That's why "pesticides" is an argument, but it's not the main argument. What happens when these tomato genes spread too heavily and you will not even be able to produce tomatoes with just soil, water and sun? What if they spread to other plants? (Plants to cross-pollinate).
      • Carrok 3 months ago |
        > The main thing is that you can't really know the long-term effects of changing the biodiversity on the planet.

        Has the planet itself not been doing this for quite a long time already? I think your question would be better framed as not “changing” but “accelerating” and I think that is indeed a valid question. I’m just not sure I agree it will end with non viable crops.

      • Suppafly 3 months ago |
        How would they spread more heavily if they are less healthy and more prone to disease?
  • userbinator 3 months ago |
    I wonder if it also "tastes purple".
  • fortran77 3 months ago |
    Wow! An Arm core in my tomato!
    • userbinator 3 months ago |
      ...and there will inevitably be a cheaper version, with Dimensity DNA instead.
    • b0ner_t0ner 3 months ago |
      Came for the tech news, stayed for the dad jokes.
  • cafard 3 months ago |
    Now if they could just grow and market tomatoes that taste like a tomato.