> There’s a symbiotic relationship between the passionate and technical cave explorers who investigate every hole in a cave in their free time (and just for fun) and those in the scientific community who want to study these prehistoric materials but cannot reach where they’re hidden in the underwater darkness.
The lack of cavers in general is becoming a bigger and bigger problem in archaeology and paleoanthropology. Since a lot of archaic human species were quite a bit smaller, they managed to make very elaborate caves their home that are hard for the average adult to navigate. Underwater archaeology is still in its infancy so the training isn't explicitly part of anyone's education.
Last year there was a story [1] on the front page about research into Homo naledi in the Rising Star Cave [2] that was only made possible because they were able to find six petite paleoanthropologists cavers who were able to fit through a "vertically oriented 'chimney' or 'chute' measuring 12 m (39 ft) long with an average width of 20 cm (7.9 in)" to the Dinaledi room in the back of the cave. They found 1,500 human bones there and still have a lot left to excavate.
He also has some amazing IMAX footage of cenotes, among other caves, in his film Ancient Caves, which is still playing on a few IMAX screens, though it's run is mostly over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSZL9YbXDGs
Overhead diving, especially in caves, is extremely dangerous without extensive training. Too many operators down there will take new divers on very questionable “cavern” tours with sections of no natural light / visible exits, single primary lights, and single tanks.
Do your due diligence and remember nothing in the cave is worth dying for.
It wouldn't surprise me to hear that some tour operators bend the guidelines but the diving I did there felt appropriately careful.
Any HN billionaire up for funding the development?
[1] https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/22sunfish/featur...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2kChvtPxyw
they're hurrying along though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZucylrwaK0
Approximately every other paleoanthropologist is extremely skeptical of this and also constantly mad him for other things like putting preprints on bioRxiv, having too many TV shows, going to space with fossils, etc.
On the other hand, every paleoanthropologist except him seems to run on a system where they never reveal any discoveries or share their work with anyone and take 30 years to write up what they have found in case someone steals their dig sites. It kinda seems like he's right.
It was surreal and other worldly to me while swimming underground in crystal cold waters surrounded by fibrous tree roots hanging down from high above. How did these fish get in here?
Given a good tropical storm these get shaken up, scattered about, float to the surface, and get picked up by water spouts, waves, and other events that can carry them into the air and then at the mercy of the winds and sleeting rain movements .. some of which will shed into inland sinkholes, etc.
Further, much of the Southern North American and Central American land form is crossed by limestone and and underground river systems that are fed by water above ground; where water flows eggs can follow.
Are there any images of this?
* Richard Greenberg suggests "a few" kilometers. * Robert Pappalardo suggests ~20 kilometers.
Stuff like: "We are not allowed to leave... they will be coming..."
Then I want to see if its biology chemically resembles ours. If it does, it means some form of panspermia is true and the idea that life originated on Earth is the last remaining geocentrism.
There is a good sci-fi flick about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Report
Of course for a film they made it a manned mission when IRL we would never do that, not just because it would take too long to get humans out there but because of contamination (in either direction).
If there was also an HN flame war about RTO vs. WFH down there I might never leave.
Coober Pedy's a long standing still active mining "cave" town - and there are others about the globe, some going back a thousand years and more.
There was a chap from that family background (he was born in the UK perhaps but his father wasn't) who rennovated an Ye old Englishe cave dwelling ...
https://www.granddesignsmagazine.com/grand-designs-houses/th...
There are channels carved out in the rock for cabling and wood fire chimmneys, etc.
Also bookable for retreats: https://www.therockhouseretreat.co.uk/
There are a good number of caves (eg: one former tourist cave on a property I once owned in the WA S'West Karri forrest) that have solution pipes that go straight down from the surface into the roofs of various chambers - they're good for running cable.
Circling back to mining, underground mines can be vast systems of tunnels with custom trucks and trains running about in addition to borehole machines and other stuff - Mining Comms is a whole field with hybrid cable + transmitter (with repeater) hubs, etc.
Not saying this is cheap or easy, but it's all doable - and for the DIY home handy type it can cost time and effort rather than money if they have access to mining auctions | closing down | old stock etc.
Good acoustics and laying utilities in and out is a handy skill for farms, concerts, and apocolyptic bunker builing.
It's unfortunate DNA doesn't preserve well in humid environments. Those many bones could provide a lot of genetic information otherwise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_protein#Palaeoproteomi...
[1] heh
66,000,000: the cataclysmic impact of the Chicxulub asteroid
66,000,000: end of the dinosaur age
66,000,000: mammals began to dominate the lands once ruled by dinosaurs.
27,000,000: formation of the Panamanian land bridge
27,000,000: Great American Biotic Interchange.
00,200,000: fossilized shell of a loggerhead sea turtle (Caretta caretta) perished in the cave
00,025,000: first Homo sapiens crossed into America over the Bering Land Bridge at least
00,013,000: evidence found in the cenotes points to human settlements
00,013,000: first Homo sapiens arrived on the Yucatán Peninsula at the end of the last ice age
00,013,000: end of the last ice age
00,010,000: megafauna species abrupt extinction
00,008,000: evidence of paleoart
00,008,000: last time the shallow caves on the Yucatán Peninsula flooded
00,004,000: The Maya established their civilization on the Yucatán Peninsula
Optimistic case is you have to swim straightforward, completely blind, while not panicking, in the dark, using just whatever guide wire/rope you set on your way in. Oh and the water is probably nipple-freezing hard.
I'm a purveyor of extreme sports but nope, I'll leave this to the UUVs. Nope on a rope.