Instead of a bimetallic switch like discussed earlier in this same HN thread, there's a lump of metal in contact with the pot, which stops being responsive to a magnet at a certain temperature (past its curie point) and that's what triggers the switch from "cook" to "keep warm" (and yes, of course it all works due to the huge latent heat of water).
So they came up with an alloy whose curie point is just above water's boiling point, and thanks to that, the circuit, nah, the whole thing is comically simple - just a shunt, a spring, a big resistor and the heating element (and ok a led or 2). The weight of the pot is also acting against the spring, ensuring you can't actually select "cook" if the pot isn't there. This is so brilliant.
> yogurt requires a constant temperature over a specific length of time.
No it doesn't. I make perfectly good yoghurt in an old glass vacuum flask by heating a litre of milk to 80 C, allowing it to cool to 50 C, adding 60 g of live yoghurt, pouring it into the vacuum flask, putting the lid on and leaving it overnight.
Vinegar and alcohol in grape juice are two factions fighting for supremacy by trying to poison each other to death.
Those still exist, or do you just mean the interior light bulb?
Once you make a few batches, you can usually eyeball it, different milks will act subtly different at temperature. Heating also changes how milk components can consumed by the cultures. I get milk from a farm that doesn’t homogenize it the same way as store stuff - the skin develops on the surface sooner.
Personally, I prefer to use a yogurt maker that keeps it at a consistent temperature. But you can make great yogurt in a variety of lower tech scenarios.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42029736
:)
I don't measure it to 80C, just heat milk until it breaks then switch off and let it cool. I didn't have a thermometer when I first made it, but now I might measure that it had cooled enough. I wouldn't say it has to be as hot as 50C, you just probably don't want it hotter, so if you're making it without just let it cool to tepid, feeling warm to the touch, then add whatever you're using. Cheese similar, just more specific cultures.
(And I suppose if you really get into it, the specific temps and holding them thing is a lot more true for cheeses - or rather for different types - than it is for yoghurt.)
in india, people don't even measure the temperatures as you mentioned.
we just boil the milk (to sterilize it), let it cool some amount, put in the curd (indian english term for yogurt, dahi in hindi, thayir in tamil) starter (which is just curds from a previous batch), mix, and leave it covered for a while, typically overnight, anywhere in the house, or in a cooler or warmer part, depending upon your location and ambient temperature. the milk automatically sets, by the action of the bacteria, and becomes curd.
nothing to it. even kids can make curd.
>One of the key differences between the Japanese and Chinese rice cooker is that the latter has a glass lid, which Chinese cooks demanded so they could see when to add sausage.
The average Chinese rice cooker looks exactly like the Japanese ones. Cookers with glass lids exist but are uncommon in China. In fact if anything, I've most often come across those glass lid ones in the West, not in East Asia. Also the sausage part is so random, lol.
The article is badly researched. A couple of years ago I'd have said I'm shocked a university professor wrote this, but frankly at this point it's to be expected.
On the other hand, one of my friends has a Zojirushi rice cooker, and swears by it. He describes making perfectly fluffy and buttery rice every time.
If your rice is buttery I think they're doing something wrong.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/s?k=%E5%9C%A7%E5%8A%9B%E7%82%8A%E9%...
Instant Pot was sooo much easier. Safety interlock, unambiguous timer, much better.
Bonus: instead of rice, use chicken broth, previously made in the IP, and frozen.
Bonus2: add some coconut milk. freeze the rest of the can in ziploc baggies.
It's funny how upset some people get by that method.
The various Chinese cuisines have serviceable rice, it's just that the premium stuff tends to be Japanese and Korean. (But it's not just a single 'quality' dimension. They differ in kind, too.)
Btw, you should try Nasi Lemak. It's a dish that has its rice in coconut milk. Very tasty.
https://www.zojirushi.com/app/category/rice-cookers
It makes great rice consistently and easily.
The only quirk is that their "cup" measure is 1 gou (一合枡), which is just over 3/4 of a US cup. It's just a cultural thing, but the adaptation I had to make was real — I got this rice cooker as a hand-me-down from an Asian friend, and it didn't include the OEM 1-gou cup. It took a bit before I figured out how to get the proportions right.
The results are better than what my parents used to get with their old Black and Decker RC400. It's possible that there was user error involved with the RC400, which I recall burning on the bottom. I've never burnt any rice with the Zojirushi, and I'm not even sure how I could go about it if I wanted to. Certainly the Zojirushi produces better rice than I used to make cooking it on the stovetop in an ordinary pot.
I'd like to know just how the Zojirushi gets such great results. My guess is that it's some combination of good temperature measurement and even heat application to ensure that their well-researched cooking formulas get accurately applied.
Our measures are way off from each other. Yours sounds like the "rice made for sumo wrestlers" I remember from an old story, where rice was made with progressively less water over time to toughen up the trainees.
I thought 3/4 was one of the 'normal' measuring cups in a set, but just googled it and I guess it's not.
It remembers the last several settings I've used - one of those is 12:00 for rice.
If you don't have a pressure cooker, that's fine. But for those who DO already own a pressure cooker, I'm not sure how the lighter weight of the rice cooker is relevant. A single-use device takes up more room in the kitchen, and the accumulation of these devices just adds to our environmental disaster.
Also that 12 minutes is not inclusive of the 10 minutes it takes to get up to pressure, and the instant pot cannot keep rice warm throughout the day.
> If I making rice in the instant pot I can't use the instant pot to make actual food.
I'll just correct this one misinformation. You absolutely can cook multiple dishes at once - I've done it, google: 'pot in pot' - assuming they can tolerate roughly similar cooking times.
I have the OG Instant Pot, it is too small for multiple dishes. Especially if I am making a bone broth soup + rice!
Honestly I am trying to think of a dish I've ever made in my instant pot that hasn't occupied a majority of the interior volume...
This is a huge downside that people always neglect to mention with instant pots. Probably not a big deal with rice, since the other methods also take ~20 minutes total, but for larger meals, that extra time is a lot more than it takes for rice, and the slow release at the end is also somewhat necessary for other foods that don't completely cook during the short time that's recommended. Things like roast and such aren't 'done' just because everything is up to a reasonable temperature, that extra cooking that's done during the slow cooling of the release helps flavors develop.
Of course for bone broth, you are still savings many many hours, but the math isn't as simple as "bones 25 minutes, release, potatoes 5 minutes, release, carrots 3 minutes, release."
I think most people tend to avoid dishes that have multiple steps for that reasons. Generally the most you see is sauteing in the bottom of the pot before deglazing and adding more ingredients and bringing it up to pressure. Although I'm sure some people get fancier with them. At that point though, you probably aren't saving time or effort over just cooking normally.
(Rice Cooker calrose recipe: Weigh the rice. 1.1 times the mass of the rice is the amount of water you need.)
Importantly though, they've had decades to refine the design, so the cheap one from Walmart does just fine, no need to buy a $100 Japanese one if you're exploring if you even want a rice cooker.
Feel free to make rice the night before if you have dinner plans the next day, it'll work out fine in a good quality Japanese rice cooker!
Now soups, veggies, artichokes, enchiladas, ... For those things, the instant pot is awesome. =)
I actually got an instant pot recently but I haven't tried the rice cooking setting yet for the simple reason that I use the instant pot for cooking sauces and other things that would go with the rice. Also cooking rice on the stove isn't actually that hard. I don't see how this saves me time or effort. Just measure out the quantities carefully and you should be fine.
Anyway, I need less carbs in my life; not more. One reason I got the Instant Pot is cooking lentils and beans becomes really easy with it. Also am making lots of tasty meat stews. Works great for that.
My favourite recipe is to use 1:1 rice to water ratio and the adjust the time depending on the rice. For example, white rice takes 5 minutes, basmati 6, brown 30(!). When it'đ finished, wait at least 10 minutes before opening the lid, let the pressure drop naturally.
The key insight, which may not be emphasized enough in the article, is that the vessel can only rise to above 100C once all the water has changed phase (boiled).
I think this is the same principle explaining why beach popsicle vendors can carry many items on a hot summer day without them all melting right away. There is insulation, for sure, but in addition the temperature of what is effectively a large volume ice cube block must rise above 0C before the popsicles can begin to change phase (melt).
In the rice cooker, this property is harnessed while a "bimetallic switch measured the temperature in the external pot". The bimetallic component means that one metal heats and expands faster than the other, eventually breaking the circuit.
If memory serves, this same trick is used in older car model turn signal lights, to produce the periodic on/off switching.
I am not asian but enjoy my rice cooker every day. I love simple robust engineering.
2-ish phase changes when dry ice sublimates, then later for the ice in ice cream
> Modern circuit breakers are much fancier. They break... when the currents passing in both directions [is] unequal
What you're describing is properly called GFCI[0] — which in some countries is referred to as an RCD[1] — not just a standard circuit breaker.You can get devices which fit into a standard circuit breaker slot which perform both functions. However a conventional circuit breaker (which are still widely available) doesn't do any of that.
[0] Ground Fault Circuit Interruptor
[1] Residual Current Device
in the UK such a device is called an "RCBO" aka "Residual Current Breaker with Over-Current (protection)"
good summary here from schneider
https://eshop.se.com/in/blog/post/what-is-the-difference-bet...
But, what is quite common in the last 30 years are AFCIs, arc fault interruptors which are code for pretty much all living area branch circuits (just not bathrooms). These are built in to the circuit breaker. You can get dual GFCI/AFCI breakers, but these tend to be expensive and not commonly used. Nobody wants to have go down to the basement just because of a ground fault in the kitchen. Also the propensity for GFCIs to nuisance trip increases with the length of the branch circuit. There’s also cases where they are specifically disallowed.
Part of the issue with "not terribly common" is that no one ever retrofits these things into older houses and new houses only get them where code requires it since it's an increased cost.
They should of course be added to any kitchens or bathrooms. It's cheap insurance.
You mean neutral or return wire. No current should be normally passing through the ground wire. In fact in the US at least, GFCIs can be used on grandfathered ungrounded outlets. When you buy GFCI outlets they come with little stickers: “No Equipment Ground” to affix on the outlet in that case.
The bimetallic strip is for overcurrent protection over a period of time. For example, if you are running an appliance using a constant 15A on a 10A breaker. The breaker will pop, but not instantly, and I guess you may have to wait a bit for the metal to cool down, though it never happened to me.
But there is also a short-circuit protection, it uses a solenoid to quickly trip the breaker when the current is way over its rating. The fancier types (with GFCI) also pop if the return current is not the same as the input current, this is to prevent electrocution.
The problem with drawing too much current is that things can overheat, and it is more of a problem during heat waves as well.
[1] https://www.tekdok.dk/files/CA908024E_Trip_curve_2021.pdf
I haven't given it a lot of research because NEC requires 125% (1/.8) for continuous loads (for conductor protection).
Perhaps my experience was hot ambient/panel.
I thought the circuit that powers the cooking was broken because, when the water has boiled away, heat rises and a magnet holding the circuit closed is weakened by the heat, which allows a spring to pull the magnet away and break the heating circuit. (Magnets are weaker when hot.)
Technology Connections: https://youtu.be/RSTNhvDGbYI
So it's possible that earlier designs didn't use magnetism, and the magnet-based design was a simplification of earlier water-boiling-at-100c-based designs.
I wouldn't have downvoted you for it, but it sounds like you missed this from the article:
> While the rice cooked in the inset pot, a bimetallic switch measured the temperature in the external pot.
While more modern rice cookers may use curie point magnetic switches, that's not what the original rice cooker used.
While both you and they are correct that more modern devices work that way, that's not how this one works.
It's possible that they didn't miss that fact, but their comment reads as being a direct response to the discussion of the control circuit of the first rice cooker.
https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/lectures/ece348/22_contro...
There is a difference between waiting for one cup in the outer reservoir to boil completely away for 20 minutes, and waiting for the rice+water mixture to come to a certain temperature.
Edit: I ended up down a rabbit hole about why Taiwanese rice cookers more commonly use indirect heat and found this great article:
https://www.taiwangazette.org/news/2021/10/23/thinking-outsi...
Is it useful? Hard for me to answer - I don't like rice, but most of my family does. They all swear by their Zojirushis and Tigers, so I have to imagine it provides a better cook than the old style.
Depending on where you live, about 0.35 decades?
> On 30 August 2021 the United Nations Environment Programme announced that leaded gasoline had been eliminated. The final stocks of the product were used up in Algeria, which had continued to produce leaded gasoline until July 2021.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#Modern_findings
The EU (incl. UK at the time) banned it 2.4 decades ago.
Basic availability of leaded is unrelated to how long unleaded has been the default.
I've never had a dryer where that feature actually worked. My newer samsung claims to have that, but the drying time still seems to just use the timer (even when using the sensor setting) and they clothes are almost never 100% dry when the timer runs out. I suspect maybe it'd work if the clothes got dry before the timer ran out, but the timer settings always seem to be just short of how long it'd take to dry a load.
hopefully the "large volume ice cube" is something like a saturated salt or sugar solution so that the ambient temperature it tries to hold is colder than the melting point of the popsicles.
Using the same trick (in alll programs) it figures out overfilling and aborts for safety reasons.
Edit: I think the only sensor needed is a temperature sensor.
Dr Michael Mosley studied the science of this for his BBC program Trust Me I'm A Doctor [1]. The advice is to soak rice overnight, parboil and discard the water, change water and bring back to boil again and change water again, etc.
[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2F1MDzyW55pg97Tdpp...
I am not saying rice is the only reason. My point is if rice is so bad, we would not see Japan or Korea or Singapore dominate the life expectancy charts. Compared to the extremely greasy and highly processed food being sold widely in the US for example, rice is extremely healthy.
>claims regarding rice being unhealthy
The claim isn't that rice is unhealthy. The claim is that rice can potentially contain high levels of arsenic, which is easily avoidable by modifying the cooking method slightly.As you say, measurable health effects from arsenic are confounded by the alternatives being largely "greasy and highly processed."
Also saying rice is filled with arsenic and warn against eating it multiple times a day is not that different from saying it is unhealthy. It almost sounds like fear mongering to me considering how the Asians seem to be doing fine so far and it is the cultures that don't eat enough rice or carbs that struggle with being healthy.
>Well having to soak the rice overnight and reboil it multiple times doesn't seem like an easy method to me.
Yeah, I'm not sure that's really necessary. Other sources say that simply boiling in lots of water (like pasta) and discarding the excess water is enough. >It almost sounds like fear mongering to me
I don't mind, because that's an unrealistic and over-broad standard for speech.I don't care what it "almost (!!) sounds like," especially after I took care to disabuse the reader of that exact misunderstanding. I care what it is.
Truth > Optics / PR
You can't stop telling the truth just because some people might possibly misinterpret your words (which, spoiler alert, people can always do that), or else you literally can't ever say anything.
So, I don't think the experience of people whose ancestors have been heavily reliant on rice for the last 4 or 5,000 years and until recently didn't have much access to meat is particularly informative for what I should eat.
Per the Lindy effect, we should all be eating foods that we're adapted to eating. You are likely adapted to a food if you and your ancestors have been eating it for thousands of years. The longer the better.
East Asians seem adapted to rice and its arsenic content. Northern Europeans, maybe not so much. The former has had thousands of years to adapt and select for rice-eating. The latter, again, not nearly as long. Another example: dairy. East Asians can't digest it, Northern Europeans can.
I mostly eat long brain brown rice which contains more contaminants in the bran and so this purification method is important to reduce one's intake of bad s*t.
Eating organic rice is good but doesn't mean it's uncontaminated.
I still use rice cooker though these days, even more trivial to operate, can't mess up things if I miss the final part, and it will keep it warm for hours. Extremely practical. Its also baby trivial, at least the device we have (which is not pure rice cooker rather some multi stuff with rice as one of many options, but we basically just do rice and yogurt).
Also, paella may be a fine food (if eaten in Spain or affiliated countries), but that type of rice has nothing to do with usual type of rice used as side dish. I actually don't know how to cook that type of rice well.
The rice cookers I've seen take twice as long to make rice that is by no means twice as good.
To each, their own. My Mom loves the rice cooker I gave back to her because it took too long to cook rice. =)
My favourite recipe is to sauté chopped onions and peppers, a little garlic and black pepper, add shrimp, cuttlefish and clams, and then top up the water to the required amount and add the rice when it boils. Six minutes with the vitro on and, in ten more, it is delicious.
Change the seafood for mushrooms, chicken or whatever you like.
As for today? Well, too hot on the stove or a phone call comes in, and poof, there goes all the water and the rice burns. If you're making rice 3 times a day, it's easier and safer to cook in a machine that guarantees perfection every time.
Rice cookers can generally make a pretty large volume and they're still rather efficient at doing so. If you get the water and rice ratio to your liking it will make nearly perfect rice every time at the press of a button. The best ones have multiple markings for white and brown rice on the bowl so you don't even need a measuring cup to do this.
It has a little countdown timer so you can get your sides ready on time. It plays a little song when it's done. It covers and seals up well and can keep rice warm and good to eat for a few hours.
There are only two parts that you have to wash, the bowl itself and the detachable lid seal, and one you have to wipe down, the steam vent cap.
I generally don't like special purpose tools in my kitchen. The rice cooker has been a part of it for 20 years anyways. It's simply too useful without any additional hassle that it has easily earned it's place.
If you're eating a more western diet with rice only a handful of times a week, it's probably overkill as a single-tasker.
Is it really that hard to grill bread? Nope, but you have to pay attention somewhat to stop it burning.
Once you hit a certain volume of usage, an automatic device makes a lot of sense.
Not really, you can make toast on the stove in about 1 minute, rice takes 20.
For rice nearly zero attention is necessary with the correct amount of water.
And in that 20 minutes you get enough rice to fill mutiple people up.
Probably the most popular is “kamadosan”. It makes beautiful rice and you have control over it so eg it is easy to create a crust on the bottom if you like.
Unfortunately I have an induction stove now so a bit hard to use, but I occasionally cook rice on a small charcoal stove when enjoying the slow life.
Review: https://thejapanesefoodlab.com/kamado-san/ Recipes: https://toirokitchen.com/blogs/recipes
Modulate the applied power (pwm), read a few thermocouples, pressure sensor, release solenoid. Make it all programmable, let people program it.
I speculate that the usual strategy would be full power to get things warm while extracting an estimate of the specific heat of the contents. oh, maybe add a scale, so you can estimate the water content. I guess that once you get things hot, the specific heat of a rice-water mixture changes, so you want to ramp down the power. Validate that by looking for an increase in pressure. Heck, maybe different kinds of rice (or different rice dishes) would benefit from different heat-pressure schedules.
Think of it as a Decent (espresso) machine, but for rice. And open-source, please.
BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38910848 Should I worry about arsenic in my rice? - BBC News
BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38910848 Should I worry about arsenic in my rice? - BBC News
I would prepare rice the way it is commonly prepared through out the world. Eat white rice as the bran contains some of the arsenic. Wash the rice thoroughly before cooking.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1241574/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4772235/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9603767/ https://www.pbssocal.org/food-discovery/food/fda-finally-ban...
Take plenty of water and get it to a boil. Add any amount of rice to the boiling water, and let it boil for 8 minutes. Then drain the water, remove the pot from the stove and put the lid on for a few minutes. Reduces the need for measuring quantities.
I cook the rice in a microwave oven in a covered glass vessel (preventing the escape of water) and it is very good with this ratio.
For most other cereals that are either coarsely ground or whole grains, e.g. cornflour, semolina or wheat grains, the same 4 to 1 by weight ratio works fine when boiled in a closed vessel.
Most other kinds of starchy seeds absorb less water when boiled, so the ratio must be lower.
I assume that a dedicated rice cooker is useful only for those with numerous family members, who might want to cook large quantities of rice at the same time.
For smaller quantities, e.g. suitable for a couple of people, a microwave oven is very fast and reproducible, so there is no need for dedicated equipment.
The time depends on the quantity. For around 125 g of rice + 500 g of water, the time is between 12 and 15 minutes.
An advantage of using a microwave oven is that no stirring is needed during cooking, unlike when boiling rice or other cereals on a traditional stove.
I understand why you would use low power for eggs, but meat? I always applied power in proportion to the product's water content, as it has high specific heat and absorbs microwaves readily. Meat is largely water so high power it is.
At high powers over 500 W my meat would explode.
Moreover, when cooking meat at a lower power for a longer time (e.g. up to between 20 and 30 minutes), the cooked meat is much more tender than when cooked faster.
If I boiled the meat, then maximum power could be used. However I do not boil it, but I roast it in the microwave oven in a covered glass vessel, with nothing added, except salt and condiments. Thus it is much more tasty than boiled.
I learned about this trick only a few years ago and when I tried it, I basically got a perfect result. Which was not what I was expecting.
If you want to add some kind of oil, that is also better added immediately after taking the rice out of the oven.
If you add salt or sugar, then that should be added before cooking in the oven.
How about a clock?
Now, I understand that in 1955 the required components might have been deemed too expensive, or actually the problem is more complex than that. This article is so poorly written. Like almost everything I've read in the last 20 years from IEEE Spectrum.
How would the rice cooker know when to start the clock? It needs to be started only after the water reaches a boil.
From the article: > Fumiko found that heating the water and rice to a boil and then cooking for exactly 20 minutes produced consistently good results.
That knowledge about the ideal timespan of 20 min seems to be completely irrelevant to the implemented solution.
Partially. They also mentioned that it was generally believed that you needed to vary the temperature during cooking to get fluffy rice. Fumiko's discovery is just as much about the fact that you can use a straight boil the whole time as it is about the duration.
* https://www.fastcompany.com/3047428/how-two-bored-1970s-hous...
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Rudkin
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Tubman
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberta_Williams
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_B._Anthony
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Sutherland_Bissell
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Blackwell
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_13 - Not housewives, but absolutely worthy of more praise and attention, especially Jerrie Cobb.
And many more
"It isn't often" doesn't mean "it has never happened".
If anything, only listing 8 only proves their point. To disprove their point you'd need to list hundreds of housewives. Possibly thousands given the number of patents out there.
This feels like an argument only for the sake of hearing one's self out loud, a poor man's denying the antecedent fallacy.
The ideas and methods were shared among communities, church groups, in schools, and handed down in families. Often by oral tradition and by illiterate people.
In modern times, you could check the archives of Heloise, and magazines such as Good Housekeeping and Sunset. Columnists would usually receive hints and tips from readers, and give credit at that point.
Those sorts of things aren't usually traceable when men invent them either though, it's basically unrelated to the larger subject of women not getting credit for inventions in science.