• snvzz 2 days ago |
    In common with Apple: Extremely powerful marketing.

    They've achieved cult-like customer behavior; will not even consider alternatives.

    • ttt3ts 2 days ago |
      I think a lot of people would consider alternatives if there were some. Sourcing AMD hardware is a PITA, even just renting for validation. On the consumer side, AMD announced they are done with top end GPUs for the time being.

      I agree with you on marketing but Nvidia's relationships with the big cloud providers and big companies is more important. It locks AMD out.

      • epolanski 2 days ago |
        > On the consumer side, AMD announced they are done with top end GPUs for the time being.

        You reminded me of the many "let's hope that the next AMD GPU is super fast so Nvidia cuts the prices on their XXX GPU" I regularly see on hardware boards.

        • ttt3ts 2 days ago |
          Haha, I think that hope is officially dead. Although, Nvidia hardly cares about graphics right now so AMD might release a good gaming card even if it isn't "the best". Rising prices on the "best" will mean gamers never have them anyway.
      • musicale 2 days ago |
        Surprisingly enough, several large systems on the top500 list use AMD (and even intel?!!) GPUs.

        To me this indicates that AMD and intel have the potential to compete with Nvidia, but they haven't managed to translate that into the general AI/non-HPC market.

        • ttt3ts 2 days ago |
          I have used some of those systems, namely frontier (AMD). In the case of frontier, it is the US gov hedge their bets. The super computer before was Nvidia and the next is intel. Bunch of politics there which don't translate to business but make a ton of sense for a government.
    • epolanski 2 days ago |
      That might be true in consumer space, but enterprise ones are those shelling tens of billions and they don't care about marketing but what's fastest per money they spend (also in electricity, maintenance, etc).
    • wmf 2 days ago |
      I would say Apple and especially Nvidia have the best products (ignoring price) and they also have good marketing. The absolute best product in a category has no price ceiling.
      • musicale 2 days ago |
        Nvidia's margins are remarkable, and much higher than Apple's.
    • musicale 2 days ago |
      Over multiple decades, Apple delivered products that transformed their respective categories, including, but not limited to: Mac, iMac, iPod, iPhone, iPad, Apple watch, AirPods, and M1 MacBook Air. Strategically, they also priced their products to capture profit share rather than market share.

      Besides developing category-leading hardware, Nvidia advanced both graphics and general-purpose GPU computing with CUDA and a software stack that competitors have still failed to match (though AMD is trying.) CUDA fueled the gaming GPU and crypto waves, as well as the AI wave which has enabled Nvidia to turn itself into an end-to-end AI company, from desktop to cloud to supercomputing.

      • adrian_b 2 days ago |
        "Apple delivered products that transformed their respective categories" of Apple products.

        For a majority of the people of the world most of the Apple products are irrelevant, because they do not fulfill any of their necessities better than the non-Apple products.

        There is only one Apple product developed after 2000 which has really transformed its category when also considering non-Apple products: the iPhone, which has led everybody else to imitate its user interface in mobile phones.

        Besides the iPhone, there has also been a second innovation introduced by Apple after 2000 that had a significant influence on others. After more than a decade of stagnation in computer displays after the transition from CRTs to LCDs, which had resulted in a lower resolution in displays instead of a higher resolution, the introduction and intense marketing of the Apple "Retina" displays has determined all the manufacturers of laptops and monitors to finally raise the resolution of their devices, resulting in the transition to 4k screens.

        Between 1990 and 2000, the most important influence of Apple over the entire world was their cooperation with Microsoft in typeface and multimedia file formats and rendering, which has resulted in de facto standards like the TTF font files.

        • fulafel 2 days ago |
          Microsoft could have been broken up without Apple being kept alive by MS to be the also-ran.
        • musicale a day ago |
          iPod, iPhone, iPad, Apple watch, AirPods, Apple Silicon MacBook Air were all best-in-class products upon their introduction (and arguably still are.) Each one changed perceptions of what products in their respective categories looked like and how they were used, and they did so through both industrial and technical design, and through hardware-software integration. As a result, Apple sold a ton of them, at high margin.

          As you note, marketing on its own was not enough for Apple to be successful in the 1990s, much less to become one of the richest companies on the planet, and one with a trillion dollar market cap.

          • pjmlp a day ago |
            And remain a niche for wealthy people, being around 10% of world market share.
    • pjmlp a day ago |
      In regards to CUDA, the alternatives are a pain to use.

      Intel and AMD have had decades to provide an ecosystem that could rival in C++, Fortran and polyglot compiler backends, alongside great IDE and graphical debugging experience, coupled with a rich library ecosystem.

      At least Intel is doing its part in SYCL, Fortran and Python GPU JITs.

    • thebruce87m 21 hours ago |
      Do a lot of people believe this? Maybe this is why other companies fail at execution, their execs actually think this way.

      Support your hardware with excellent software. Do this with minimal fuss, support it for a long time, and you will do better than 99% of other companies.

      If I buy something I want it to be supported 5 years from now, not in some cupboard because software support was dropped and the company needed another sale out of me. If I’m expendable, they’re expendable.

  • mgh2 2 days ago |
    Not sure how long it will hold with the AI hype cycle. Not long ago Microsoft was 1st due to its association with OpenAI, now all AI stocks are spiking, some beyond fundamentals (AMD, Palantir). It is what the market is marketing or trying to predict, whatever the crowd wants to believe in, regardless how connected it is from the truth, only time will tell…
  • ChrisArchitect 2 days ago |