ChatGPT now on chat.com
91 points by tosh 18 hours ago | 103 comments
  • LeoPanthera 18 hours ago |
    Misleading? chat.com redirects to chatgpt.com, and chat.com is registered at GoDaddy while chatgpt.com is registered at Markmonitor.
    • mkagenius 17 hours ago |
      Redirection is dirty quick thing they might have done in the meantime they switch all other APIs or make sure nothing breaks.
  • dmonitor 18 hours ago |
    "Drop the 'gpt'. Just 'Chat'. It's cleaner"
    • syspec 17 hours ago |
      Why, ChatGPT is a verb now
      • ultrarunner 17 hours ago |
        I'm all for cleaner, but "Just use chat" really does not confer the same intent.
      • dionian 17 hours ago |
        good point. counterpoint: it'll catch on with more users in the general public with a shorter, easier name. gpt has to be repeated a few times or possible to make mistakes. gtp? gpd?
  • jsheard 17 hours ago |
    Does anyone know who owned chat.com before?

    That can't have been cheap.

  • minimaxir 17 hours ago |
    ChatGPT's name was always an albatross: OpenAI didn't expect the original ChatGPT research demo in November 2022 to go as megaviral as it did, but once it did it was too late to give it a more business-friendly name.

    It wouldn't surprise me if they eventually rebrand ChatGPT to just Chat, Justin-Timberlake-style.

    • sebzim4500 17 hours ago |
      I think it reached "so bad it's good" status. If they had launched with a more typical silicon valley name like Gemini then I don't think it would have become the generic term for a chatbot among non-tech people.
      • teaearlgraycold 17 hours ago |
        Most people have no idea what GPT means or what GPT products existed before ChatGPT. But that means those 3 letters occupy their own space in their head and that space is the same as "AI chatbot". That gives OpenAI a lot of power that Anthropic won't have with "Claude" or Google with "Gemini".
        • jsheard 17 hours ago |
          Wasn't OpenAIs bid to trademark "GPT" rejected though? That name isn't a moat if anyone can use it.
          • xeromal 17 hours ago |
            It was rejected but it doesn't mean people can't assume GPT means chatgpt
          • londons_explore 17 hours ago |
            Obviously a legally protected name is best. But "GPT" will end up morally protected even without legal protection.

            "This AI is dumb. Bob, did you get all this research from a fake ChatGPT cos you're too cheap to buy the real thing?"

        • HPsquared 17 hours ago |
          A new name for a new thing.
      • andai 17 hours ago |
        I've been working at public libraries and I hear young people say "ChatGPT" several times per hour.
      • pants2 17 hours ago |
        I'm just happy OpenAI hasn't gone through a half dozen rebrandings like Google has with Assistant / PaLM / Sparrow / Bard / Gemini
    • seydor 17 hours ago |
      But then it won't be Search.com
  • aipatselarom 17 hours ago |
    Awesome. OpenAI will eat this market.

    Called it a couple weeks ago → https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41884821.

    Some still think "OpenAI has no moat", keep on beating that horse, lol.

    • hydrolox 17 hours ago |
      not sure about reducing it to just chat but using the entire "chat gpt" as a verb is really common like "let me chatgpt this assignment" (love it or hate it is very common in schools)
    • dartos 17 hours ago |
      What is their moat besides incredibly deep war chests?

      It’s the same for all foundation model companies. The moat is how much money that have to sell inference and pay for training.

      • aipatselarom 17 hours ago |
        Yeah, you're right.

        They'll be out of business very soon!

        /s

        • dartos 17 hours ago |
          I never once suggested that…

          You can stay in business for a long time with no moat and billions of dollars.

          Long enough to find a moat even.

      • CharlesW 17 hours ago |
        ChatGPT is more than a foundation model. To use Claude as an example of where competitors are failing in comparison, you can't even do extremely basic stuff like upload PowerPoint decks or Excel spreadsheets, much less create custom GPTs.
        • dartos 17 hours ago |
          Sure, but none of that is moat. It’s just a feature on someone’s backlog.

          The proof of that is chatgpt itself. OpenAI did not pioneer a lot of those kinds of features. They saw startups doing it and just did it themselves since it’s fairly straightforward to implement.

          A scrappy startup can copy the vast majority of chatgpt features with another foundation model.

          Custom GPTs are just prompts.

          • CharlesW 17 hours ago |
            > Sure, but none of that is moat.

            Not for foundation models, and not when considered individually. But as long as OpenAI continues killing it with foundation models, continues moving up the stack with applications built on those models, and continues establishing market-leading parterships/integrations with companies like Microsoft and Apple, that's a moat.

            • moofer9 10 hours ago |
              That’s…not a moat. Here, I’ll let chatgpt tell you:

                  True moats often involve factors like network effects, brand strength, intellectual property, or significant operational efficiencies that are harder to replicate.
              
              Superman doesn’t have a competitive moat, even if he manages to be the strongest and produce random powers out of nowhere - other superheroes pop up and monopolize various cities despite being nowhere near as powerful. Why? They are the recognizable local brand. That’s a moat. It’s not something Superman can easily do anything about. Heck, Superman’s strength even makes him unrelatable to most humans, actively harming him in the brand area.
              • CharlesW 10 hours ago |
                The Superman analogy is fun, but moats are rarely that simple. About the real-world scenario I described, ChatGPT generated:

                "The combination of OpenAI’s advancements in foundation models, application development, and strategic partnerships collectively creates a robust moat for several reasons: [list of reasons]

                "Together, these elements form a substantial moat. OpenAI’s cutting-edge models create a technological barrier, its applications generate a sticky user base, and its partnerships expand its influence and operational support, making it difficult for competitors to replicate its entire ecosystem. This combination of technological, user-based, and strategic advantages creates a robust, multi-layered moat around OpenAI in the competitive AI landscape."

        • ThalesX 17 hours ago |
          I use it for some reports every month and Claude is so much better than OpenAI's frontier models it's not even funny.

          I can upload CSV, JSON, PDF, any type of text file...

        • minimaxir 17 hours ago |
          > you can't even do extremely basic stuff like upload PowerPoint decks or Excel spreadsheets

          That's a UX implementation, not a moat. There's nothing ChatGPT-specific about vector stores/the Assistants API that Claude can't copy if there's enough demand.

          • jjmarr 17 hours ago |
            Good UX is a moat. Otherwise we'd be in the year of the Linux desktop.
            • minimaxir 17 hours ago |
              An operating system is indeed a moat because a user can't easily switch operating systems due to the ecosystem it extends. That's not a UX thing.
    • codingwagie 17 hours ago |
      They already have something like 80% of the gen ai revenue
      • karaterobot 17 hours ago |
        But they're still not making a profit. Maybe the analogy would be if the moat was filled with water, and it started leaking into the castle.
        • codingwagie 16 hours ago |
          Their goal isnt revenue, they can turn ads on and turn into google. the goal is growth
          • karaterobot 15 hours ago |
            It seems like they already own 80% of the market, and have hundreds of millions of users. They became a for-profit company, so hopefully their goal is going to be profit eventually.

            I wonder whether running an ad on a ChatGPT conversation even pays for the cost of that conversation. I know the agent my company runs costs us 10x more to generate each response than an ad click would bring us in revenue. So, even if someone clicked on an ad every time they asked a question, we'd still lose money. Hmm.

    • seydor 17 hours ago |
      If openAi wants to eat the market they must buy chrome's omnibar
    • GaggiX 17 hours ago |
      Honestly right now Anthropic offer a better service, at least if you are a programmer, I don't really see the moat.
  • mousepad12 17 hours ago |
    ai.com has historically redirected to chatgpt, then grok, then google gemini and now chatgpt again
  • binalpatel 17 hours ago |
    This is going to wreck Goldman's next analysis.

    (context: https://the-decoder.com/goldman-sachs-blunder-adds-to-ai-sto...)

  • fsniper 17 hours ago |
    I am not a marketing guy, however feels like this is an unnecessary move.

    Haven't they already have the "Xerox" brand/verb of LLM Chat bots?

  • nuz 17 hours ago |
    I kinda feel like the sort of kiki weird odd name of chatgpt helped it gain traction. People care way less about pleasurable brand names than marketing people think. Just 'chat' is way too generic etc (sounds like many unoriginal SF companies)
    • HPsquared 17 hours ago |
      All those super generic .COMs always make me think "probably a domain squatter". Easy to remember though I guess.
    • bdangubic 17 hours ago |
      chat is basically prepping us for the future where the only “thing” we will chatting with is “AI” :)
    • soneca 17 hours ago |
      I agree. WhatsApp is by far the most popular app in Brazil (of all kinds, not only messengers). Yet…

      - Its name is unpronounceable for 90% of its users (we short it to ”zap”)

      - The word itself has unfamiliar letter combinations (“wh” and “pp”).

      - The intended pun doesn’t work at all, since no one here uses “What’s up” (not even the 10% that understands English)

      Similar to what happens with “Google” and “Facebook”, btw.

      • LeoPanthera 17 hours ago |
        I'm a native English speaker and I didn't get the "pun" for years. Almost a decade, even.

        "App" does not rhyme with "Up".

      • com2kid 16 hours ago |
        > - The intended pun doesn’t work at all, since no one here uses “What’s up” (not even the 10% that understands English)

        Well until you wrote this I never realized it was supposed to be a pun, and I'm a native English speaker...

    • jjmarr 17 hours ago |
      ChatGPT is an amazing name. Extremely percussive.
      • fragmede 16 hours ago |
        How do you pronounce it? G as in Gif or G as in jpeg? Chat-gee-pee-tee? Chat-guh-pt? Chat-Gipity?
        • techjamie 14 hours ago |
          I like to use both gee-pee-tee and the Primeagen style "chat jippity" interchangeably, depending on who I'm talking to.
      • basch 15 hours ago |
        It is a great word spoken. Written it is visually identifiable as a symbol. It also seems to break every rule of naming, and is almost nonsensical.
      • BoorishBears 14 hours ago |
        An sizeable number of people get confused and call it "ChatGTP": enough that you can search "ChatGTP" and find pages of posts and articles misnaming it

        An initialism is not exactly an amazing name for a consumer product.

  • keiferski 17 hours ago |
    It looks like Chat.com is just redirecting to ChatGPT.com and hasn't replaced the brand name (yet.)

    If the intention is to rebrand as Chat.com / Chat, the interesting question is whether this commits them to the chatbot-based model of using AI tools. Personally, I think that is something of a mistake – the chat model is fine for now, but it requires too much pre-knowledge to use effectively. The most effective AI tools I've used have more elaborate UIs that help "corral" the created material into more usable formats.

    • londons_explore 17 hours ago |
      The human word "Chat" seems too generic to be a good brand name too. I think it would be a dumb move to rebrand right now.
    • chrisweekly 17 hours ago |
      Reminiscent of "Wired" magazine, in the era of wireless / mobile taking over.
  • arikrak 17 hours ago |
    Clicking the link opens the Ticketmaster app on my phone.
  • s29375748 17 hours ago |
    essay fo
  • mv4 17 hours ago |
    Bad marketing move. This dilutes the brand.
    • GaggiX 17 hours ago |
      They just bought the domain, similar to what Google does with gogle.com.
      • mv4 16 hours ago |
        Except Google didn't announce the introduction of gogle.com and other misspellings.

        Based on the reaction, the co had other plans for it and now backpedaling ("it's just a redirect!")

        • GaggiX 16 hours ago |
          By announcing you mean a tweet from Sam saying "chat.com"?
  • karaterobot 17 hours ago |
    Meanwhile, chattyg.com is taken, but doesn't point to anything.
  • lxgr 17 hours ago |
    That seems like a very weird branding move to me (dropping the part of your brand name that actually makes it recognizable), but I guess I just don't understand the marketing 4D chess at play here.

    Is this some kind of marketing flex? "We are so recognizable, we can afford drop the only thing from our name that makes it make object level sense"?

    Other examples: Transferwise -> Wise (despite them still doing transfers as their main business), WeWork -> We (ok, to be fair in my experience not so much work got done there at the best of times) etc.

    These things also usually completely kill SEO. Like, how am I supposed to google for the nearest coworking space? "we near me" sounds ridiculous to type into a search engine.

    • wseqyrku 17 hours ago |
      > dropping the part of your brand name that actually makes it recognizable

      This feels a lot like Twitter -> X, I guess we have to get used to this.

      • kmeisthax 17 hours ago |
        Twitter -> X is such a terrible rebrand even Elon Musk doesn't use it consistently.
        • dmonitor 16 hours ago |
          I don't get why he didn't rebrand it as "twitter on X", X encompassing the chatbot, job search, group voice calls, etc and "twitter" being an "app" on X
          • basch 15 hours ago |
            because then the press wound still refer to it as twitter.

            who calls alphabet alphabet? meta ended up slightly better only because they had three or four really strong consumer brands.

            • sunaookami 14 hours ago |
              >who calls alphabet alphabet?

              Not the same as Alphabet is the parent company and media do call it so when the parent company is fined for example. Same for Meta. Also, the press does write "X" or "X (formerly Twitter").

            • mcperr3 14 hours ago |
              I don't call alphabet anything because I don't talk about alphabet. Google is a subsidiary within alphabet.
      • swyx 10 hours ago |
        also openai is moving to a post gpt world
    • chrisweekly 17 hours ago |
      I have a similar "huh?" rxn to HBO rebranding as "Max". At first I thought someone in my family had signed up for CineMax. I still call it HBO.
      • com2kid 16 hours ago |
        There never was a digital service called HBO.

        There was HBO Go and HBO Now, one of which you could subscribe to yourself, the other of which was an option you could get through your cable provider. There was massive amounts of confusion about the entire situation.

        HBO Max was combining the two apps into a single digital streaming platform.

        • lxgr 13 hours ago |
          But then to drop the HBO out of "HBO Max" is certainly a decision.
    • fkyoureadthedoc 17 hours ago |
      This seems more like a story people like to repeat than an actual reality, like we're just relaying wisdom from 1999.

      However, chat.com is blocked on my work computer as pornography.

    • ChemiSpan 17 hours ago |
      They didn't change anything; chatgpt.com is still the main domain. chat.com simply redirects to chatgpt.com.
      • lxgr 16 hours ago |
        Good point, although chatgpt.com used to redirect to chat.openai.com for a while too, until the former eventually became the default.
    • Yizahi 17 hours ago |
      Also Golang to Go
      • BrandoElFollito 14 hours ago |
        Golang and Go coexisted since the beginning. Go was the favorite name but Golang was used in parallel to make search possible
    • normalaccess 17 hours ago |
      Every time I go to chatgpt.com I type chat into the address bar and it autocompletes to the correct site. Also when talking to my coworkers it's taken the same status as "googling" something. We just call it "chat". So yes, I also feel it's odd to see chat.com go to chatgpt but it's the shorthand some people are already using.

      Examples of what my coworkers and I say at the office:

        "What does chat have to say about x?"
        "Did you ask chat"
        "Did chat find the answer?"
        "Yeah, chat scripted that one."
      • saberience 16 hours ago |
        I’ve literally never heard anyone refer to chatgpt as “chat”. In fact, I don’t believe your anecdote.
        • normalaccess 14 hours ago |
          My coworkers also watch a lot of twitch so chat was already something they said before.

          It's for sure something I say...

          • normalaccess 12 hours ago |
            And it's why better than someone calling it chat gip-uh-dee (pronounced with a J sound like GIF :) )
      • dmonitor 16 hours ago |
        If someone talks about "chat" I assume they're talking about a livestream's chat feed, or the other members of a group message channel.
        • normalaccess 12 hours ago |
          Yeah, me too. And if you squint your eyes and tilt your head you can kind of make the connection. Any large Language Model is made of the "chat" from billions of messages floating around on the internet.

          So when you ask chat a question you are in reality asking an algorithmic simulation of mass internet communication.

          In my mind the connection works, which is convenient with the new chat.com domain and all...

      • flysand7 11 hours ago |
        Chat is that real?
    • jerrygoyal 8 hours ago |
      they are taking a common lingo (i.e. chat) and making a brand out of it. Could be a genius move.
      • sixtyj 4 hours ago |
        Could be.

        Me: I will ask ChatGpt… changed to “I will ask Chat”

        So Mom: Who is Chat? Me: Gpt.

        They could buy Chad.com as well, then it would make sense /s

      • 3np 6 minutes ago |
        [delayed]
  • ChrisArchitect 17 hours ago |
    This is more likely just to help with incomplete/mistyped urls. As in gogle.com -> google.com
  • gabrielsroka 17 hours ago |
    > An OpenAI spokesperson confirmed the acquisition via email.

    https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/06/openai-acquired-chat-com/

  • mrtksn 17 hours ago |
    Apparently this used to be adult webcam service with up to 16 way webcams: https://web.archive.org/web/20221203160549/https://www.chat....

    Someone who has't been visiting the site for a while will be very disappointed, ChatGPT does only text, voice and images

    • thumbsup-_- 17 hours ago |
      May be they will just think that the UI is updated and start sexting with chatgpt
      • mrtksn 17 hours ago |
        Then get schooled for not abiding to the SV morals
  • intellix 16 hours ago |
    I mean I know what domain I'm telling my parents to visit and it isn't chat.openai.com or chatgpt.com. Don't think they need to rebrand but it's a good enough shortcut
  • pentagrama 15 hours ago |
    Current post title:

    ChatGPT now on chat.com

    I think a more accurate title may be:

    chat.com now redirects to chatgpt.com

  • evanmoran 15 hours ago |
    I find it funny to think that SnapChat did the opposite and removed Chat to become Snap.

    Either way it’s a bold move. It’s clearly easier to type and say. I wonder if they found GPT is just too unpleasant to say so trying to switch the brand is worth it to them.

  • ppetty 12 hours ago |
    What if it’s not about marketing & more about new functionality? In another comment this was compared to Twitter changing to X … what if this is ChatGPT becoming a chat app for peers & with gpt? Or a social network? People share their GPT chats so maybe they want to be the chat platform… sound too bold? They did search.