• gnabgib 3 hours ago |
    Discussion (79 points, 12 days ago, 48 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41952389
  • nvidiafanbot an hour ago |
    Apple has an entire diversified product roadmap and ecosystem. Nvidia has a gpu. I don’t see longevity for Nvidia.
    • Dr_Birdbrain an hour ago |
      (deleted because I was wrong)
      • andsoitis an hour ago |
        > Do they even do any R&D anymore?

        Yes.

        “Apple annual research and development expenses for 2024 were $31.37B, a 4.86% increase from 2023. Apple annual research and development expenses for 2023 were $29.915B, a 13.96% increase from 2022. Apple annual research and development expenses for 2022 were $26.251B, a 19.79% increase from 2021”

        https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/researc...

        • monocasa an hour ago |
          R&D spending is basically a lie at most tech companies because of how the tax grants for R&D spending work.
          • andsoitis 34 minutes ago |
            > R&D spending is basically a lie

            Chips, for one, don’t research themselves: https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2023/03/apple-accelerates-...

          • seanmcdirmid 33 minutes ago |
            Software developers are consider the D in R&D, much of it is just engineering salary cost since they are a tech company.
      • mgh2 an hour ago |
        Regarding R&D: They have quite a few reports integrating their products with health.

        Ex: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41491121

        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948739

        Tested by community: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41799324

        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42019694

        VR was a 10 year or so project but agreed no product-market fit yet.

      • godelski 35 minutes ago |

          > They seem to have lost faith in their own ability to innovate.
        
        As they should. I mean they can, but they have to change course. All of Silicon Valley has tried to disenfranchise the power users. With excuses that most people don't want those things or how users are too dumb. But the power users are what drives the innovation. Sure, they're a small percentage, but they are the ones who come into your company and hit the ground running. They are the ones that will get to know the systems in and out. They do these things because they specifically want to accomplish things that the devices/software doesn't already do. In other words: innovation. But everyone (Google and Microsoft included) are building walled gardens. Pushing out access. So what do you do? You get the business team to innovate. So what do they come up with? "idk, make it smaller?" "these people are going wild over that gpt thing, let's integrate that!"

        But here's the truth: there is no average user. Or rather, the average user is not representative of the distribution of users. If you build for average, you build for no one. It is hard to invent things, so use the power of scale. It is literally at your fingertips if you want it. Take advantage of the fact that you have a cash cow. That means you can take risks, that you can slow down and make sure you are doing things right. You're not going to die tomorrow if you don't ship, you can take on hard problems and *really* innovate. But you have to take off the chains. Yes, powerful tools are scary, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use them.

        • andsoitis 31 minutes ago |
          > the average user is not representative of the distribution of users.

          What does this mean? Just thinking about iPhones: As of September 2024, there are an estimated 1.382 billion active iPhone users worldwide, which is a 3.6% increase from the previous year. In the United States, there are over 150 million active iPhone users.

    • aurareturn 40 minutes ago |
      Apple has the iPhone. It’s very concentrated in the iPhone. You can say services but services are powered by the iPhone as well.
    • ikrenji 32 minutes ago |
      a gpu is all you need if you’re one of two companies worldwide that makes them
      • ClassyJacket 8 minutes ago |
        Especially if you're the only one that makes GPUs for AI use
    • andsoitis 28 minutes ago |
      > Nvidia has a gpu.

      In addition to the GPUs (which they invented) that Nvidia designs and manufactures for gaming, cryptocurrency mining, and other professional applications, the company also creates chip systems for use in vehicles, robotics, and other tools.

      • Legend2440 16 minutes ago |
        Okay, but $22.6B of their $26B revenue this quarter was from datacenter GPUs.

        The only reason they are this big right now is because they are selling H100s, mostly to other big tech companies.

    • paxys 17 minutes ago |
      Take away iPhone and Apple is worth at best 1/10 of its current market cap. The company isn't as diversified as you think.
  • PittleyDunkin an hour ago |
    "largest" in terms of market valuation; so, not a very substantial measure.
    • aurareturn 42 minutes ago |
      For public companies, market cap is the most important metric. So it’s the most substantial measure to me.
      • RayVR 28 minutes ago |
        Why is market cap the most important metric? It does not exist in a void. Market cap + P/E or forward P/E, P/B, P/S, etc. are all metrics of high import.

        Market cap is one piece of a complicated picture. On its own, you don't know too much.

        • wbl 5 minutes ago |
          And how much money do you make from trading large cap US equities?
      • Legend2440 23 minutes ago |
        Market cap is kind of made up. The stock is worth what people believe it to be worth.

        Profit is the number that really matters.

      • itake 16 minutes ago |
        if there are 100 shares in a company, but 2 people own them. person1 has 99 shares. person2 has 1 share. person1 sells their share for $100 to person3.

        Does that mean the market cap is worth $10k? yes. is that meaningful if there are no other buyers at $100? no.

  • seydor an hour ago |
    Like Tesla but bonkers
    • bitwize 35 minutes ago |
      Need I remind you who runs Tesla? Tesla is already bonkers.
  • ChrisArchitect 33 minutes ago |
  • mythz 9 minutes ago |
    Weirdly enough for my next "AI hardware" purchase, I'm waiting for the release of the M4 Ultra to max out on VRAM since Nvidia's chips are highly overpriced and using GPU RAM to price gouge the market.

    Since M4 Max allows 128GB RAM I'm expecting M4 Ultra to max out at 256GB RAM. Curious what x86's best value get consumer hardware with 256GB GPU RAM. I've noticed tinygrad offers a 192 GPU RAM setup for $40K USD [1], anything cheaper?

    [1] https://tinygrad.org/#tinygrad