The Hillary folks controlled the stage and completely ignored the Bernie crowd's calls of "point of order!", throwing out the rules to rush through their agenda despite the wishes of (more than?) half the crowd.
I know Bernie has a lot of detractors, and the calls of "socialist!" scare a lot of people off. But still, the process should have happened. I still think he had a real shot of winning 2016, because people were ready to overturn the system and the Dems establishment didn't see it. So instead many people who wanted that revolution turned to the other person who promised to burn it all down. Maybe I'm libbing out, but _I want to believe_.
I got incredibly ill for days after that experience, likely from the fact that there were a lot of folks yelling and sharing germs in a closed room, but also from the sheer stress of seeing the establishment flagrantly violate Robert's Rules when it served them, and state it as law when that served them instead.
I'm still mad. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I dunno. I'm not arguing that Dems should break rules/laws/whatever. I'm just venting about the hypocrisy that I think cost them the 2016 and 2024 elections.
If you're familiar with his political stances it's bizarre to not classify him (in our two party system) as a democrat.
Despite all of the talk of a "political revolution", Sanders is anything but a revolutionary. He's practically an establishment Democrat himself.
The same goes for AOC, by the way. She never "brought the ruckus" against the Democrats. She's 100% establishment now.
- The Democratic party is the one that wants to reduce the use of electoral politics (i.e. democracy) for policymaking
- The Republican party is the one that wants to reduce the scope of the commonly-held institutions that execute policy (i.e. the republic)
I wouldn't assume that it's that they didn't see it but that they're the system being overturned. The GOP did get turned over and it's unrecognizable compared to 2012, I can't even imagine being a long-time Republican senator trying to do right by people and suddenly have to gargle Trump's sweaty balls and betray a lot of what you believe in or be out of a job. I think it's a natural reaction to being cornered. Moderate Republicans are homeless right now boxed out of their own party and staring down their dwindling political and social capital. It's gotta hurt.
Don't get me wrong I would love to Feel the Bern, I don't agree with a whole lot of his pie-in-the-sky ideals but when he talks about actual concrete issues and policy changes to me it's clear he gets it.
The Democratic establishment didn't want it. I suspect they saw it.
Would the media and political power centers align with the Republican party?
I think he would have won too, because he would have gotten the poor, working class vote that Hillary and Kamala failed to get. He would have faced a hell of a battle getting any of his policies implemented. But damn, I wish we lived in that timeline. He's the only "democrat" candidate that people have actually been excited about since 2008 Obama.
(Never.)
Does this precedent hint at some level of disorganization?
(It does to me.)
Wonderfully put, I think this is something that’s true for both political sides, we’re moving closer and closer to a reality where both sides just want their color to win, and are completely closed off to any change.
I think there are a lot of voters like me: we only dislike Trump because he is crazy and could lead the economy/world into disaster, we aren't really liberals or progressives per say, we just don't want to be poor.
The sad part is that with Trump being president, far right and left wingers are going to be even more embolden in local and state elections (like in 2016-2020): anyone with moderate opinions is simply going to be called a Trumper (if in a blue area) or a communist (if in a red area) and is going to get trounced solidly. Elections are simply going to be really polarized for the next 4 years, and moderates on both sides are going to lose out.
Then came Trump 2.0 and I swallowed my pride and decided I had to do something.
My wife and I volunteered to do outreach with the party. We showed up at a coffee shop and nobody was there. Eventually we saw someone who looked like they were volunteering too, and we asked if they were. They said yea and handed us some letters to sign saying like "Vote for Kamala because I am too". Again, really disorganized and disheartening to someone who actually wants to help. Who knows if those letters were even mailed.
If this is representative of the Democratic parties in other states, it's no wonder millions of people didn't show up to vote for Kamala.
The key reason why the fairly competent, liberal and inclusive agenda lost time after time was that the people promoting it felt so self-important with their advanced degrees and great pedigrees that they felt that should be enough to win. That it will be enough to remind the voters that the other side is Bad and that's job done. The PiS party, in turn, was incredibly good at reaching voters, they spent ages building grassroots structures, including in unglamorous rural areas, where they remain very popular now. They have cohesive, very populist, but clear and catchy slogans nad programs. They have cultural clubs, newspapers, TV channels, everything.
The good news (if you're liberal) is that the centrist parties finally got organized, ran a common election platform and campaigned beyond "surely, you'll just all vote for us because we bothered to turn up to your smelly little town". Although whether they learnt they have to do that every time remains to be seen.
Each cycle, most of the field organizers are young, passionate, and inexperienced; some inevitably wash out. Many see it as a rite of passage to a political career and tolerate the frenzy. Those looking to advance politically often aim for a role with more responsibility in the next cycle.
This was the state party in a relatively small state, which mostly shuts down between elections. Twice, I saw them scale up to an impressively large organization, rally an army of volunteers, and then dissolve it all after the campaign—everyone exhausted but with a real sense of accomplishment. Campaign work seems less like a job and more like a military campaign. Or a startup.