• jsheard 17 hours ago |
    They're undercutting CF Workers - requests are $0.2/million rather than $0.3/million, and CPU time costs the same.

    Seems pretty good on paper. There's no free allowance like you get with Workers though.

    • j45 17 hours ago |
      If cost is a factor, one could plausibly put bunny behind cloudflare’s free side.

      Another positive side effect would be to have paid dual redundancy then too.

      Backblaze is another neighbour that plays nice with bunny.

    • Sytten 8 hours ago |
      Their bandwidth is still too expensive and that is what really matters for an edge worker. It is not AWS expensive, but still 0.01$/GB is not cheap.
      • csomar 3 hours ago |
        You usually use them for compute and low-bandwidth related activities (like an API).
  • skybrian 17 hours ago |
    I was wondering how this compares to Deno Deploy. From an API point of view, it looks rather limited? They seem to have some storage offerings but it’s unclear how they connect.
  • __MatrixMan__ 17 hours ago |
    Wouldn't running on the edge of the internet mean running on the devices that I see when I look around my house? It feel like this serverless thing is rather serverful, unless I've overlooked the part where users are running a node somewhere.
    • jsheard 16 hours ago |
      It's generally taken to mean "close enough to the edge that latency is negligible regardless of where your users are".
    • FireInsight 16 hours ago |
      I guess edge is just a buzzword, maybe it is like a metaphor; if you think of the internet as a sphere users reach to for content, something being on the edge means you don't have to reach that hard, it's right there on top. Or maybe it means close to the edge, close to end-user devices.

      Serverless is definitely a misnomer, but it means that you don't 'own' the server your thing is running on, there are some restrictions and you can't run anything you could on an actual VPS or hardware box. So in a way the server is abstracted away. You just use resources, but those could be anywhere, running on any node of the edge network.

      • __MatrixMan__ 16 hours ago |
        Right after CenturyLink rebranded to Lumen, but before I heard about it, I clicked a buzzword-laden link looking for people involved in "Edge Computing". I had been writing vehicle traffic controller firmware and thought "hey, I guess I'm doing edge computing--out here at the curb--maybe I should check this out."

        Turns out, they meant installing modems in people's houses. Edge, it would seem, is a very versatile buzzword.

      • toast0 16 hours ago |
        I feel like Edge is more acceptable; running at a PoP is close to the edge; running inside an ISP network is even closer; it's not really achievable, but running in ISP managed modems or cellular base stations is pretty much the limit of plausible Edge computing.

        Serverless really should mean the client does the work, but it seems pretty equivalent to shared hosting. Dreamhost (and the shell account you used to get with an ISP!) was serverless before it was cool?

        • __MatrixMan__ 15 hours ago |
          When I hear "Edge" I imagine that it keeps working if you remove the ISP (e.g. it'll still talk to with other stuff on the LAN) but it works better when the internet is available. Like bit torrent.

          I'm aware that what they usually mean is significantly less interesting.

    • apitman 16 hours ago |
      I think of it as the edge of the server side, ie the closest to the user where the service operator still controls the data. An edge function in a data center can hide information from unauthorized users. An edge function in a home would have a much harder time of pulling that off.
    • bigs 15 hours ago |
      Edge just means running on servers near you (eg. the closest AWS AZ) rather than the other side of the world. It’s still servers in data centres.
    • crabmusket 14 hours ago |
      Back when the Internet of Things was a hot new idea, "edge" did indeed refer to devices like phones and fridges.

      These days "edge" more commonly refers to the "edge of the cloud", i.e. still a datacenter, just not in us-east-1.

      Serverless also does not mean no servers, it means no sysadmins.

      • ec109685 9 hours ago |
        Serverless means you don’t care about how many hosts you’re spread across.
    • csomar 3 hours ago |
      The edge means it's stateless (not serverless) and running on multiple servers, so serving the customer from the closest one (at least in theory).
      • davedx an hour ago |
        But what is Cloudflare's KV? That seems to be stateful?
  • apitman 17 hours ago |

      BunnySDK.net.http.serve(async (request: Request): Response | Promise<Response> => {
        return new Response("Hello World");
      });
    
    I love that pretty much all the JS runtimes have settled on `(Request): Response`[0], but I really wish they would standardize starting the server as well. Would make writing cross-runtime services easier.

    [0]: https://blog.val.town/blog/the-api-we-forgot-to-name/

    • plopz 16 hours ago |
      Thats new to me, is that an attempt to standardize similar to PHP's psr-7?
    • laktek 16 hours ago |
      I think the closest thing we got is the Default fetch export https://docs.deno.com/runtime/fundamentals/http_server/#defa..., which Cloudflare Workers, Deno Deploy and Supabase Edge Functions support.
    • diggan 15 hours ago |
      I wonder where the pattern first comes from? I think I either came across it in Express (JS) or Ring (Clojure) first but surely it was first done somewhere else.
    • Onavo 10 hours ago |
      Is Bunny fully WinterCG compatible?
    • sgammon 9 hours ago |
      Came here to say this
  • nehal3m 16 hours ago |
    Script edging: Never finish building applications
    • seangrogg 16 hours ago |
      Ah, so my side projects in a nutshell.
  • delanyoyoko 16 hours ago |
    I guess this is the same as other offerings - Vercel Edge, Cloudflare Workers/Pages?
  • ilrwbwrkhv 16 hours ago |
    I can vouch for Bunny. They are a fantastic company with fantastic prices and fantastic reliability. I have used their CDNs and all of their products for more than 4-5 years now.
    • guyfromfargo 13 hours ago |
      Completely agree. We migrated our entire video library from Azure to Bunny. We went from paying over $2,500 in egress every month to about $200. It’s unreal how much Bunny has saved us.
    • christophilus 10 hours ago |
      Same here. Bunny CDN plus Wasabi. It’s an excellent, inexpensive duo. Bunnny now has their own Object storage, but it wasn’t mature in time for me to. Hold around it a few years back.
      • pestaa 6 hours ago |
        Crucially, their object storage doesn't have an S3-compatible API. I'll migrate the day they add it.
    • pier25 7 hours ago |
      Same. We use their edge storage and cdn to distribute our js to our customers globally.
  • laktek 15 hours ago |
    Congrats on the launch! It's great to see more companies build serverless offerings on top of Deno.

    I lead Supabase Edge Functions product, a similar offering built on top of Deno runtime too. We have open-sourced our runtime (https://github.com/supabase/edge-runtime), and it's self-hostable. It supports NPM, node built-ins, pluggable storage, and web sockets. We also have a built-in API for AI inference (https://supabase.com/blog/ai-inference-now-available-in-supa...)

    Supabase Edge Runtime is easy to self-host (works great as a multi-threaded JS web server). We love community contributions :) Let us know if you would like to collaborate.

    • Onavo 13 hours ago |
      When are we getting Deno 2 support?
  • devmor 15 hours ago |
    > We've all been there: your app gains popularity, and suddenly, you're scrambling to add new servers.

    Yeah, but the headache is usually from database, cache and other shared resource servers.

    Scaling HTTP has been very easy for most applications for the last 15 years or so.

    I have to confess I really don't see the appeal of edge workers in general outside of specific applications where latency is of high concern. Such applications do exist, of course, but this kind of offering is treated so generally that I feel like I'm either immune to the marketing or I'm missing something important.

    • ruthmarx 13 hours ago |
      > I have to confess I really don't see the appeal of edge workers in general outside of specific applications where latency is of high concern. Such applications do exist, of course, but this kind of offering is treated so generally that I feel like I'm either immune to the marketing or I'm missing something important.

      I agree, it mostly seems like a fad/gimmick.

      • tomByrer 8 hours ago |
        Oh, there are lots of things you can do 'on edge' that can be easier/faster:

        + A/B testing + cookie warnings just for EU but not everyone else + proxy; helpful if you want to hide where your API is from or username/pass + route redirects + take off some workload from your server + mini applets (eg signup forms are great edge use-case)

        ref: this is my old repo: https://github.com/lukeed/awesome-cloudflare-workers

  • fyzix 15 hours ago |
    What’s the file size limit for wasm modules? Do you get charged for cpu while awaiting I/O? Do edge apps run before or after cdn caching?
  • eqvinox 14 hours ago |
    I'm getting old and grumpy, and my apps are edgier* than any of this: they're native offline code.

    * Pun intended.

  • thephyber 13 hours ago |
    What are applications that are well fitted to edge computing?

    I spent 2 evenings brainstorming this, but haven’t come up with anything.

    • ricardobeat 12 hours ago |
      It’s all about latency. Even simple dynamically rendered websites can be much faster when you avoid multiple roundtrips to a far away DC.
      • ranguna 3 hours ago |
        If your pages depend on data from APIs that are not globally distributed, having an edge runtime can be worse. Specially when dealing with non distributed databases.
    • KTibow 12 hours ago |
      If you want to avoid super slow starts for an app that has some secret keys / other backend logic while staying on a free tier
    • stickfigure 11 hours ago |
      I recently wrote a city -> geo lookup API for typeahead. Running on edge it's wicked fast. The database just barely fits in a CF worker though.
  • maz1b 12 hours ago |
    Haven't had the chance to look into this in depth yet, but is this a like Cloudflare pages or Vercel? Can you host static sites a la Next/Nuxt/Sveltekit/Solid etc?
  • sgammon 9 hours ago |
    Why design your own API so that I can't try it without rewriting my entrypoints? No thanks.

    Cloudflare is building an insanely good platform and I think it is one that is worth betting on into the future. I have no idea where this company came from. Maybe it's a rebrand, because they seem to have serious customer base and perhaps network footprint.

    PoPs are ~119 which is significantly fewer (less than half) of Cloudflare's presence, and Cloudflare has queueing, streaming, D1 (databasing), R2, and all sorts of other things. Workers' DX cannot be beaten.

    Just my 2c. If the creators are here, I'd love to know why you decided to design a new API. That is so upsetting.

    • tomByrer 8 hours ago |
      Cloudflare had only 100 PoPs just a few years ago. Bunny has been around 10 years, but didn't get the cash injection from Google like Cloudflare did.

      If you read the article, Bunny uses Deno, CF uses a cut down version of Chromeium (each instance is like a browser tab; isolated). Thus the API difference.

      But I do agree, CF is building out more of a suite.

      • sgammon 3 hours ago |
        WorkerD isn't anywhere near a "cutdown version of Chromium," it is an incredible platform with years of engineering put into it, from some of the people behind very similar and successful products (GAE, Protocol Buffers, to name some). I assume you are referring to V8 here but that also powers Deno.

        WorkerD is open source: https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd

        I personally am not a fan of Deno because of how it split the Node JS ecosystem, so that is not a benefit in my eyes. Of course, Workers can run Rust.

        Nothing you said here necessitates an API difference.

    • Onavo 4 hours ago |
      Bunny has been around for much longer than CloudFlare. All those third party video streaming websites (e.g. adult content) all rely on CDNs like these. Bandwidth is very cheap. CloudFlare is able to command their prices mostly because of the security features and the fact that they are a pull based CDN. Most of the internet outside of SaaS rely on traditional CDNs like Bunny for low cost distribution.
      • sgammon 3 hours ago |
        Did they undergo a rebrand? Did I just miss this company for many years (it's possible)? I'm happy to believe you. But when you say "traditional CDNs," I think Akamai.
    • csomar 3 hours ago |
      Cloudflare DX is garbage. It has improved a bit in the last year but it's very far from being usable by your average developer. I am building a product on workers and I am questioning that decision every other day.
      • freetonik 3 hours ago |
        DX == developer experience?

        I think it's pretty good, but yeah, not ideal. I'm also building a product on workers, and using D1, KV, R2, queues, and am pretty happy with the DX. Running remote previews is pretty neat.

      • sgammon 33 minutes ago |
        Are you doing it on Rust? TypeScript with Workers is a dream. Consider that, while it is not yet fully mature, you can build and launch your app once and it is global-first. It costs like $100 or less to run at significant scale. It's a dream.
  • pier25 7 hours ago |
    so they are reselling Deno Deploy?
  • roydivision 4 hours ago |
    I have yet to read a definition of 'edge' that makes sense to me, sysadmin/infrastructure/coder of ~30 years in the industry.

    Anyone?

    • fragmede 4 hours ago |
      In this case, instead of putting everything in a couple giant DCs (eg us-east-1, put PoPs (point of presence) as close to end customers as possible. that way, round trip times between the pop and the customer is as small as possible, making their experience better. Edge then simply refers to those PoPs collective conceptually; edge compute is then just running code on those PoPs.
      • roydivision 2 hours ago |
        Ok, got it. So this implies installing equipment in a number of PoPs presumably based on some study of where your core customers are? And I guess this isn't for all application logic, just cache stuff, quick and easy interaction gains, and none the less still passing heavy lifting back to the DC?
        • fragmede an hour ago |
          Presumably.

          As far as app logic, it depends on how much you can get the workers to do in their allotted time (which is short, iirc) so yeah, imo you still need heavier resources in a DC.

  • tmikaeld 3 hours ago |
    "Please note that normal charges for CDN bandwidth are billed separately"

    Compared to cloudflare workers, which has free bandwidth, bunnys bandwidth is not that cheap at 0.01$/GB

    So while their example suggests stream-encoding video is possible, it would probably be cost-prohibitive.