GNU Artanis 1.0.0 Released
150 points by nalaginrut 13 days ago | 54 comments
  • NeutralForest 13 days ago |
    Looks cool but I wish it were available with other package managers than guix :'( It makes a kinda hard to try out just for fun.
    • CarpaDorada 13 days ago |
      If you just want to try it out you can compile it from source, see <https://www.gnu.org/software/artanis/manual/manual.html#org3...>.
      • NeutralForest 13 days ago |
        I know, not an amazing alternative imo as they're also saying it takes a long time. I just wish I didn't need to be all in into Guix to easily play around with such projects, which aside from that, look really cool.
        • sourcepluck 13 days ago |
          Did you catch that page there aside from the manual, where they describe how to install it on Ubuntu? https://artanis.dev/blog/build-0.6-ubuntu.html it seems quite detailed, maybe it wouldn't be so bad to get through.

          Otherwise, you don't have to change OS to run guix the package manager, it can be installed on a "foreign distro", i.e., on top of Debian, or something else. Details here https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Installation.html

          You would then use your "guix" command at the terminal to download any of the 29,253 packages here https://packages.guix.gnu.org/ (or just artanis).

        • CarpaDorada 13 days ago |
          They say it takes a long time to build Guile, the Scheme compiler, not Artanis. I can build guile in less than 2 minutes on my old laptop.
          • amock 13 days ago |
            On my POWER9 system it took 45 minutes.
    • ginko 13 days ago |
      It's available on AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/artanis (bit outdated though)
      • NeutralForest 13 days ago |
        Nice thanks!
    • zelphirkalt 13 days ago |
      You can use guix on any GNU/Linux distro afaik. If you create a guix profile for a project, it should be fairly simple to use that to install artanis. With guix time-machine you can also make reproducible setups, to ensure you can run your stuff years later.

      But the most basic use of installing artanis in the default profile should also work.

      Where do you see the difficulties installing artanis with guix?

  • ristos 13 days ago |
    Nice! is it R7RS compatible? or just specific to Guile?
    • cassepipe 13 days ago |

          ;; NOTE: I won't encourage using Racket but if you really want,
    ;;       I still give you some hints in this tutorial. But the
    ;;       tutorial will base on Guile and RnRs.
      I guess so

      https://artanis.dev/scheme.html

      • whartung 13 days ago |

          ;; NOTE: I won't encourage using Racket but if you really want,
        That's two random, unrelated lightweight jabs at Racket I've seen in the past two days.

        Why does Racket have this "bad" reputation in the Scheme community?

        • zelphirkalt 13 days ago |
          Not sure. I could imagine it being because it is no longer a Scheme, or the creators and maintainers do no longer want it to be seen as a Scheme. Or perhaps because it introduces differences not adhering to the Scheme standards and therefore Schemers do not like it.

          I liked Racket. I only found it difficult to use multiple cores dynamically with it and its places concept and lifting and multiple Racket VMs and all that. Guile seems easier in that regard. But Racket has typed racket and more advanced macro system ...

  • packetlost 13 days ago |
    Oh wow I wish that font was even remotely readable
    • evanjrowley 13 days ago |
      The code font is more readable than the rest of the website: https://artanis.dev/scheme.html
      • dismalaf 13 days ago |
        Barely. It's extremely annoying that a left parenthesis looks like a capital C.
      • rietta 13 days ago |
        Scheme! Now that is some code I have not seen in a long time.
      • evilduck 13 days ago |
        The code font is somewhat more readable but the syntax highlighting color choices then shoot that marginal improvement right in the foot.
    • pmontra 13 days ago |
      I've got a dot matrix printer somewhere in a box that could reprint that site with all the dot lines, if I manage to find it and connect to a computer. I can't remember if it has a serial or parallel port.
    • rcleveng 13 days ago |
      Agree, had to pop this into chrome devtools to get through the page:

      let newStyle = document.createElement('style'); newStyle.innerHTML = 'body { font-family: "Verdana"; background-color: #eee}'; document.head.appendChild(newStyle);

    • exhilaration 13 days ago |
      Yes the crazy sci-fi font is hard to read, but I have to give them props for being unique. I even like the grammatical mistakes, it's so different than the ultra-polished stuff we usually see here. This project has personality!
      • AceJohnny2 13 days ago |
        "You have personality. That's not necessarily a good personality, but you have some!"
    • sourcepluck 13 days ago |
      Oh, I thought it was quite fun, and still found it easily readable
    • sigio 13 days ago |
      Good thing there's reader mode, with a nice and large default system font
    • ape4 13 days ago |
      Dot matrix printer that's low in ink
    • initramfs 13 days ago |
      it would be slightly better if it were black background and green ink
    • graemep 13 days ago |
      That is horrible.

      I did not see it at first as I had JS off. Once I allowed JS the font loaded and .. yuck.

    • systems 13 days ago |
      for me zooming out to 67% worked fine
      • marci 13 days ago |
        Strangely true.
    • accrual 13 days ago |
      Looks amazing with JS turned off!
    • zelphirkalt 13 days ago |
      I don't see any unreadable parts and found it very readable. I guess yet again saved by not downloading random web fonts onto my machine or not running random JS. Yay! Blocking unnecessary traffic for the win!
      • vvillena 13 days ago |
        It's definitely a design non-conforming with the current customs, but it's also a fine choice for this type of project. It feels like bland minimalist design has become so prevalent that people are horrified by any deviation from the expected norm. Not everything has to be designed for maximum contrast and readability, sometimes projects require a bit of flair.
    • metadat 13 days ago |
      If you zoom in it's pretty cool how each letter is a matrix of squares, but agreed - very challenging and distracting to try and read when the end result looks interlaced.
    • slater 13 days ago |
      I know we're not supposed to go off on website stuff (per guidelines: "Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage") but jfc who thought this design was even remotely a good idea?
      • mindcrime 13 days ago |
        Somebody who doesn't want the same bland, boring, homogenized look that every other website in the world is using?

        Personally I like a site that shows a bit of personality. It's quirky, but for an open source web framework written in Guile, it looks about perfect to me.

        • viraptor 13 days ago |
          I agree and it's a fun look. If anyone actually can't read it, the reader mode button is available and works just fine.
    • einpoklum 13 days ago |
      At first I thought Artanis was a new font! And even reading the text I couldn't shake the impression that they were offering me this weird font with each character cut up by horizontal lines.

      When I zoomed in it looks kind of cute. Maybe I should download the Artanis font after all.

    • realo 13 days ago |
      It looks like the DUNE font:

      https://www.dafont.com/dune-rise.font

    • UncleOxidant 13 days ago |
      Oh, that's terrible. There's a reason we don't have dot matrix printers anymore.
    • DiggyJohnson 12 days ago |
      This complaint killed fun web design. Just use reader mode.
    • lsferreira42 11 days ago |
      Came here to say that, this is the first time that i had to put full attention so i can barely read that page
  • ammanley 13 days ago |
    The Executor struggles to decipher the font of the document.
  • 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 13 days ago |
    > it's a web application framework written in Guile Scheme
  • sourcepluck 13 days ago |
    > GNU Artanis is both the official project of GNU operating system, and HardenedLinux community.

    In what capacity is Artanis an official project of the HardenedLinux community? I'm curious what this means.

  • zelias 13 days ago |
    En Taro Adun!
    • rubiquity 13 days ago |
      I'm sure this web framework will have many zealots.
      • debo_ 13 days ago |
        We know it has at least one arbiter!
  • AdmiralAsshat 13 days ago |
    > In the beginning, Artanis was largely inspired by Ruby on Rails to generate the scaffold code as possible. And the URL remapping API was inspired by Sinatra, another web framework of Ruby. That's why it's named "Artanis", since it's the revserse of "Sinatra".

    And here I thought (and I'm assuming others, based on the cheeky comments) it was named for the Starcraft character.

    • Chabsff 13 days ago |
      You're not as wrong as you think you are.

      "Have you ever said my name backwards? There is a strange music to it" - Artanis (SC2 LOTV)

  • fithisux 13 days ago |
    I love their homepage.
    • bainganbharta 13 days ago |
      Perhaps it's time for an eye exam?
      • f1refly 13 days ago |
        What's not to like?
        • sourcepluck 13 days ago |
          I think it's cool too! People can be so pedestrian when it comes to these things, and so upset when there's a deviation from the norm. Both Artanis' manual and the nice scheme tutorial use interesting fonts and layouts (and clear to read!).
  • masfoobar 12 days ago |
    Congrats on the 1.0 release!!

    It is great to see GNU Artanis still going strong.

    I toyed with it a number of years ago.. perhaps before it was called Artanis. At that time I was invested in GNU Guile being my 'general purpose' programming language. I was even adding GNU Guile into my game as a frontend language. It was pretty good.

    Overall I really enjoyed using Artanis. Before you had Swagger, etc, I was wrapping Artanis code to autogen helper/documentation pages... Scheme made that process far easier than other languages would.

    To be honest, although I still toy about with GNU Guile, I have to admit it never was the main language I wanted it to be. For one reason or another, I moved on to other tools and languages. From memory, one of the reasons was GNU Guile was not that good (if installed at all) on Windows systems.

    (Of course, now that we have WSL, Guile is much easier available)

    Honestly I hope GNU Guile gets more love. If Guile gets more love -- so will Artanis. Personally, I think GNU Guile would have been better than Python but I accept that might be my bias showing.

    Once I finish one of my jobs, I no longer need a Windows PC. I will be installing Linux and, likely......... GNU Guix Distro. So I will likely be more invested in GNU Guile, again.