• Geekette 2 days ago |
    Non-paywalled copy: https://archive.ph/Rw054
  • ano-ther 2 days ago |
    Prince Nico Mbarga “Sweet Mother”: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mecNrIaWOA
    • recursive 2 days ago |
      I guess it must be intentional, but to my ear, the tuning sounds way off between the guitar and bass. Maybe this is part of the tradition or something, but I find it to be so far off, it's hard to listen to.
      • naijaboiler 2 days ago |
        i would argue that discordance you hear is a taste thing. Not different from someone accustomed to western diet may find Indian cuisine too spicy.
        • recursive 2 days ago |
          That's a pretty good analogy.
        • incognition 2 days ago |
          This time for Africa
  • itsoktocry 2 days ago |
    >“His only weakness was temptation,” says Rogers. For alongside Esame, his wife, and Lucy, his first love, he had numerous other lovers.

    Funny this is cancel-worthy sometimes, and in other times it's treated as a quaint personality trait.

    Also, the Beatles aren't famous because I Want to Hold Your Hand sold 12 million copies. The Beatles have 50 multi-million selling singles.

    • Cthulhu_ 2 days ago |
      Or a sign of pride or virility, reserved for (or a prerequisite to become) the rich, powerful, famous, and leaders.
    • dfxm12 2 days ago |
      I don't know who gets cancelled for having multiple lovers, even extramarital lovers. Maybe it should be cancel-worthy (depending on your definition of cancel) for people who build their careers on "family values", but it's practically a plus for a rock star.
      • PaulHoule 2 days ago |
        It depends not how many lovers you have but how you have them.
      • bryanrasmussen 2 days ago |
        I think the "at times" refers to periods of times, have multiple lovers at end of the 1800s and find yourself described as absolutely irredeemable.
        • PrismCrystal 2 days ago |
          Depends where at the end of the 1800s. Belle Époque France saw adultery on the part of men almost normalized among the middle and upper classes, and everyone made use of prostitutes.
          • bryanrasmussen 2 days ago |
            ok, so it depends on time, place, gender, probably also age and occupation.
      • soperj 2 days ago |
        Tiger Woods.

        I think it was mostly because he was such a self-assured prick though, and so it was easy to pile on.

        • dfxm12 2 days ago |
          Don't forget, there was also reckless driving involved there and a ton of bad press. The only fallout was losing a few of his many endorsement deals. He kept his videogame. He kept golfing. "Facing appropriate consequences for your actions" is not being cancelled.
          • soperj 2 days ago |
            He had 14 Majors, and was well on his way to passing Jack Nicklaus. He'll never pass him now.
            • dfxm12 2 days ago |
              Him falling off his game is on him. Or are you really implying some entity "cancelled" Tiger Woods' golfing skills or there was some conspiracy to prevent Tiger from winning because he cheated on his wife?
              • soperj 2 days ago |
                He took a bunch of time off because of public pressure. Was never the same.
                • dfxm12 2 days ago |
                  I don't think Tiger sees it this way after he took a few months off.

                  But, it is clear that the inability for people to take responsibility for their actions and instead blame some bogeyman like "cancel culture" is a big problem. Enablers and others who make excuses for them are part of the problem too.

        • lern_too_spel 2 days ago |
          I don't think he was cancelled so much as a laughingstock after his 2009 Thanksgiving car crash. That sent the value of the "I am Tiger Woods" marketing to zero. https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/11/24/tiger-woods-car-...
      • emmelaich 2 days ago |
        It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a man, married or not, in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a bit on the side.
    • PrismCrystal 2 days ago |
      > Funny this is cancel-worthy sometimes, and in other times it's treated as a quaint personality trait.

      You can see this same tension in Fela Kuti fandom and scholarship, where people almost have to choose between lionizing him as a anti-colonialist or anti-dictatorship hero and downplaying negative sides so that his sociopolitical impact feels more powerful, or deploring his treatment of women as something that tarnished his whole career.

    • blacksqr 2 days ago |
      "I can resist anything except temptation" --Oscar Wilde
    • Synaesthesia 2 days ago |
      John Lennon was also quite a horrible husband to Cynthia.
    • racl101 2 days ago |
      > Funny this is cancel-worthy sometimes, and in other times it's treated as a quaint personality trait.

      Yeah sometimes you see that in passing. Some famous people seem to get a pass especially if they are not polarizing nor brazen, as opposed to, say, someone like Donald Trump. But in the end, they hurt and abuse people all the same.

      For example, almost every bio I've seen on YouTube about Richard Feynman treats his proclivity of banging his colleagues' wives as nothing more than some charming quirk or idiosyncrasy (usually to differentiate him from the bookish physicists of the time) at best, and a peccadillo at worst.

      The worst description I've read yet of his behavior was summarized as: "he just loved women."

      It's messed up.

      • tuna74 a day ago |
        If women who were married to people who worked with Feynman had consensual sex with Feynman, what exactly is the problem? It might create a tense work environment, but you should be able separate work from private life.
  • deafpolygon 2 days ago |
    Because his hit was sold across Africa, not Europe or North America.
  • macspoofing 2 days ago |
    I imagine there are countless of individuals that are very famous within some region, but little known outside of it. It's not easy to have global recognition.
    • readyplayernull 2 days ago |
      Although slavery is a society illness, the mixture of African and American (Caribean, South America, North America) cultures generated a huge musical heritage. Could this be the largest branch of music in history?
    • II2II 2 days ago |
      Yes, and it is also something that we are coming to terms with now that we have a more global community.

      The hit in question, the one that outsold any individual Beatles single was from 1976. That was a time when most people received news from around the globe in print, with most of those print publications being regional and a handful being national. Something similar could be said for radio, though some people could hear stories from afar on the shortwave bands. That was more the exception than the rule though, typically of greatest interest to those who wanted to hear voices from their homeland or those keenly interested in learning about the world. (Even then, language was typically a barrier. When it wasn't a barrier, most of the stations were propaganda machines.)

      Even though your claim undoubtedly remains true, at least we live in a world where those stories can leak out.

    • Hilift 2 days ago |
      Rihanna sold more records in the UK than the Beatles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_art...
      • PittleyDunkin 2 days ago |
        I very much doubt this:

        > Many of the artists in the list below have both streaming and sales included in their totals.

        At best, this is a misleading comparison of apples and oranges. At worst it's an attempt to prop of streaming as actually compensating artists when they basically don't.

        • Hilift 13 hours ago |
          Rihanna "Had number one singles in five consecutive years in the UK" 2007-2011. "As of September 2018, Rihanna has sold over 250 million records worldwide, making her one of the best-selling music artists ever." Her son's name is RZA Athelaston Mayers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rihanna
  • nathancahill 2 days ago |
    If you're interested in unheard music from Africa, this is an incredible project: https://analogafrica.bandcamp.com

    Linking to the Bandcamp but they are on Youtube as well. They have new vinyl releases of some fantastic funk and soul spanning the last 5-6 decades in Africa.

    • spondylosaurus 2 days ago |
      Pro tip to anyone looking for a place to start: a lot of disco tracks that came out of Nigeria in the 70s/80s are fantastic.
      • draw_down 2 days ago |
        Hell yeah!! Dizzy K and William Onyeabor are big favorites of mine.
    • draw_down 2 days ago |
      I would also recommend the "Radiooooo" website/app. You pick a country and a decade, and it plays songs. Great way to discover new old music.
      • wholinator2 2 days ago |
        What an awesome app! It even uses the correct names for countries across the decades
  • mberg 2 days ago |
    If you like it checkout this epic soukous song called Nairobi Nights by Loketo Soukous Starts that includes Sweet Mother.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L93pse3-23A

  • taraparo 2 days ago |
    Very different rent but this reminds me of the story of the US musician Sixto Rodríguez. Who became very popular in South African without him knowing. I recommend watching the documentary "Searching for Sugar Man" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searching_for_Sugar_Man
  • takinola 2 days ago |
    Prince Nico Mbarga was not someone I expected to see on HN. What a throwback to the past. Sweet Mother was practically required on the playlist at any event where your mother was going to be recognized in some form or the other (which is pretty much every important event)
  • Cheer2171 2 days ago |
    Clickbait headline. It outsold any of The Beatles singles *in Africa*:

    > “Sweet Mother,” his 1976 one-hit wonder, had sold at least thirteen million copies across the African continent – more than The Beatles’ bestseller “I Want to Hold Your Hand.”

    • rdlw 2 days ago |
      What's the clickbait? "I Want to Hold Your Hand" sold 12 million. Is the clickbait that it's downplaying the achievement, since "Sweet Mother" only sold well in Africa?
    • Cpoll 2 days ago |
      It's a bit ambiguous in your quote, but "I Want to Hold Your Hand" sold 12MM *globally* (source: the song's wiki page).
    • yowzadave a day ago |
      Incorrect, it outsold “I Want to Hold Your Hand” worldwide—it just happens that most of those sales were in Africa.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_singles

  • major505 2 days ago |
    I was waching the other day a documentary a bout a rock moviment called Zanrock, very common in Zambia in the 70s. They would perform for great crowds and press discs in South Africa.

    Unfourtunaly civil wars, the conflit in Rodhesia, and the lifestyle of Sex drugs and rock and roll in a country ravaged by AIDS, killed a lot of musicians destroyed the movement. A guy started colleccting old records and released on spotify.

    of the bands, theres a great one called Witch that reminds me a lot of bands like Steppenwolf and Black Sabath.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1kcs8gftls

    • pvg 2 days ago |
      Do you remember the name of the docu? I ended up in a small Zamrock clickhole when Ted Lasso used this track in an episode outro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjUOYLJ8IYI but didn't get much further than wikipedia and a couple of google results.
      • aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 2 days ago |
      • tptacek a day ago |
        Same thing happened to me when Poker Face used Ngozi Family for an outro:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlOT_gSRE48

        If you find the documentary, let me know! All I know, besides the bands (also, that "We Intend To Cause Havoc (W.I.T.C.H.)" is one of the greatest band names of all time), is that at one point they all played their shows in lock-in overnight parties because of curfew rules.

  • nbbaier 2 days ago |
    Funnily enough, this is man is namesake!
  • jonasenordin 2 days ago |
    Very nice. Made me think of Paul Simon, made me relisten to Graceland, the song. Always a great listen, great sound. Thought it was just about him paying tribute to musical roots, 'Mississippi delta' and all that. But wait what? 'after the failure of his marriage.'... 'Actress and author Carrie Fisher'. Well internet, Today I Learned.

    Huge aside aside, aren't these songs a little similar?

    • Intermernet 2 days ago |
      Paul Simon was "inspired" greatly by African "highlife" music on Graceland. Some people dismiss it as plagiarism, but I actually think Paul was actually influenced greatly by a sound he hadn't heard before, and legitimately tried to recreate it and introduce it to a western audience. Having watched a few interviews with him, he meant Graceland to be, as you say, a "tribute to musical roots".

      I personally don't care if it was plagiarism or not, as it introduced me to a bunch of artists I otherwise wouldn't have known, such as Prince Nico Mbarga and Ladysmith Black Mambazo.

  • kessepat a day ago |
    @Geekette, if you read this comment. I am making an african music startup. And I would love to get in touch !