I sadly fried my Octane 2 at some point (and got my Indy's, DS10L Mac Pro G5 (also RIP and Suns to the garbage waste disposal). The Octane 2 specifically was also using a lot of Watt. But it was fun to play with, and of course it ran IRIX ;)
(I still remember how good the audio card in the Indy was compared to my PC's.)
I noticed other day prices are still high on eBay. Better off buying recent enterprise stuff (mind the Watts though).
One funny thing to note is SGI completely missed out on the AI era and boom.
One could make a simple app to parse, check in, out, licenses and work from there.
Sure beats breaking out the low level tools!
Indy sound is great! I agree and had one playing music for years.
Then I go and enable compact look on firefox, take out a bunch of useless icons for things I don't use, and bam my 4K screen is able to accommodate all my work. Even though I do still use 125% DPI scale, not via KDE mind you, because I love eyes.
And even then, it still looks slick and modern. It's crazy how much space we waste with flat design on desktop. Crazyyy.
StumpWM and XMonad do the same and they are quite easy to use, especially the former.
They also lead to very space-efficient setups. Windows can be tightly packed.
I'm half joking, I did use i3 for a few years, and have tried many others (bspwm comes to mind). But currently it makes no sense to use keyboard centric wms of any kind.
Also keep in mind IRIX (and most classic desktops) assumed 72 DPI displays rather than 96 DPI displays. That means when you view a screenshot or render them unadjusted they look 75% the size they did back in the day. Still plenty denser in many ways... just not as much as loading it up on a modern "96 DPI is 100%" screen would imply.
(But yes, in general it's all custom "cards" and list views. HTML didn't allow a good set of GUI widgets, so people adapted, and now the cruel circle has closed with desktop UIs being "informed" by web and mobile views)
All new code under the MaXX Interactive Desktop Project is under a BSD 3-Clause License and is available at https://gitlab.com/maxxdesktop
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Read more here:
https://docs.maxxinteractive.com/books/licensing/page/sgi-sp...
Needless to say the UVGP never came to fruition, or else it exists in a higher dimension us linear thinkers just can't comprehend. Ilarion would then pivot Holomaxx into a reseller of computer and audiophile parts (thousand-dollar speaker wires and the like), as well as a bespoke web development company (I think they claimed Kazaa as a client). They are most famous, however, for unsuccessfully suing Microsoft and Yahoo! because the spam filters at those two providers filtered out correspondence originating from Holomaxx as spam. The case of Holomaxx Techs. v. Microsoft is cited in case law concerning the reach of the CAN-SPAM Act and Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, in terms of how much discretion a provider has in filtering communications going over their network that are, in the provider's determination, harmful.
I don't know where I'm going with this except to say that until I dived in and checked out the authorship, I wondered if Ilarion were involved with this desktop project. It sounds like the sort of thing he might get involved with, especially since SGI was synonymous with "kickass computing power" among gamers in the 90s. Thanks for the trip down 90s USENET memory lane, MaXX Desktop!
What upgrades do you have? I only have a 500Mhz cpu, but i have 4 Gb and I put in an ssd. I also put in a modern power supply which makes it a little less loud.
Man that thing is loud
Also CDE is now open source, being actively maintained, and is still the CDE you remember. Even on a vintage hosting platform https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/
> To run on multiple OS: Linux, FreeBSD and Windows11 WSL2.
The actual installation instructions seem to be for Linux kernels sadly.
https://docs.maxxinteractive.com/books/octane-v22-installati...
Sadly this is closed source and only amd64 Linux binaries are available..
The best sgi ui innovation, which unfortunately I rarely see anywhere else, was the use of drop pockets, these are drag and drop targets, small squares that are uniformly styled to give the user a hint that dropping something here is useful.
I was unable to find a good example with multiple pockets, but for example: when you see that blue square in the file manager, you know you can drop something there and it will try to use it as a path.
https://docs.maxxinteractive.com/books/user-experience-ux/pa...
Something similar exists in macOS, but isn't widely used, as far as I can tell.
You can create a script in Automator that does things with an input file, and then save it as a desktop icon that you can drop things onto. I have a few of these for auto-resizing images.
(Bonus: Because it's done in Automator, you can also have the same script appear under Quick Actions when you Option-click the file/s.)
Panic's Transmit allows you to create a desktop icon that sends whatever's dropped on it to a server via FTP, SFTP, S3, Google Drive, or a dozen other methods.
So someone at Bruker noticed this, and made a drop target UNDER the listbox that's labeled Drop Here to Append. It makes things SO much more pleasant.
Best screenshot I could find online: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Horea-Christian/publica...
It listed wm hot keys on the window menu and had vector icons. Yes, believe it was the best desktop of the era.
Would like to see an improved version of it, not merely a faithful reproduction. I hesitate to say modern because it often means dumbed-down. But made for higher resolution would be great.
The Photo Gallery [1] features a couple of installations, running on 4k screen hardware and a Xeon X5690 as it seems, but is still based on CentOS from 2004 and running a Linux 4.18 kernel?
Do they have compilation problems or kernel mod problems, or that they need to port their display server and kernel mods to newer APIs in the upstream kernel?
Looking at the roadmap [2] this looks like a major development effort with huge stories along the way. Is there a foundation people can support financially?
[1] https://docs.maxxinteractive.com/books/misc/page/photo-galle...
[2] https://docs.maxxinteractive.com/books/whats-next/page/novem...
The project seems to be sleeping. The development was veeery slow. It was not open source so, in the end, CDE is the way to go if you need something like this.
I’m so tired.
Looks like there's an open source clone though
I hate the "clean" look of modern UI toolkits where functionality is being removed in the name of some "minimalist" ideal and the choices of what stays seem completely arbitrary or at best are a common source denominator between what's viable with a mouse pointer and a finger touch.
My current Raspi 400 desktop has that same setup. Menu items all italic and bold.
It ran a mozilla process, with CSS1.x to style the controls like Motif. And the Javascript code interacted with the underlying XUL hacks in a manner not much different from WebOS palm used decades later.
The Indigo Magic Desktop coupled with the 4DWM X window manager was among the top computing experiences I've had! At my peak, I was a sysadmin for our setup where I worked and as a reseller, was basically a remote sysadmin for a fair number of other installations.
Used to keep lists of Free Juno numbers while traveling just so I could get online in the days before fairly ubiquitous free or low cost wi-fi. Dial up on those was what? 2.5kbytes per sec, or thereabouts.
Plenty for that kind of support work, but I digress!
I loved it. The red pointer, which I continue to use to this day, crisp interactions, launch/event sounds, drop pads, and too many other niceties to list here, made for great experiences.
And IRIX itself was no joke. The scheduler is amazing! It remained responsive in almost all scenarios.
Once, for a training class, I had updated the software revision. But, on one machine I had left the app open with some action pending.
I saw one student appearing to run the old revision, which I thought impossible because those files were gone! Well, IRIX cached the whole damn thing. gr_osview showed a huge file cache, which I saw evaporate once the app was closed all the way.
Then things were just fine. Excellent!
And the tools. How many machines have you all used with a CD Player that had "Save Track As..." built in as a standard option.
Want to remote display a high end CAD package with 3D rendering and the works? 4DWM with the GLX extensions handled it nicely.
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Anyhow, I hope this gets some momentum. I would love to run it and maybe show it off to some younger users in the building what computing was like.
The CD Player in BeOS could save all or parts of CD Tracks. Also, BeOS would show CDs as a directory of numbered AIFF or WAV files, I can't remember which. There was also some optional software that wold look up the CD info up with CDDB and would show the track names in the Tracker (the BeOS file manager)
MacOS modern and classic both do this as well
So, that leaves Windows basically as the odd one out.
Love this place for threads line this.
Nice catch to you as well, and I am going to go play a CD on My M1 via USB optical drive next week.
Lol, just had to. :]
Nice catch.
If you connect an SGI DAT drive to an IRIX machine, you can save the tracks in the same way. And they get saved in the faster, native DAT sample rate. 48Khz, I believe.
I guess my opinion is biased given my longterm use of "window managers", specifically fluxbox.
Maybe the features of this are more in line with the development environments provided by gnome of KDDE?