The Latest Fake Literary Agencies
82 points by Tomte 3 days ago | 30 comments
  • rawgabbit 11 hours ago |
    What are some real agencies?
  • bryanrasmussen 10 hours ago |
    pretty much the only things that are really important are the last two points

    >A real agency is highly unlikely to email or phone you out of the blue with an offer of representation or a claim that a traditional publisher is interested in your work (real agents don’t pre-shop manuscripts for authors they don’t represent).

    >A real agency will not require you to pay anything or buy anything as a condition of representation or publication. Other than the agent’s commission, there should never be a cost associated with rights acquisition.

    highly unlikely is politespeak for never going to happen unless your self published work is making tens of thousands of sales already.

    • api 5 hours ago |
      Same goes for angels and VCs emailing you out of the blue with serious offers. It can actually happen but it will only ever happen if you have a product with real traction already. It will never happen for an idea, a half baked MVP, or a just launched thing unless it’s blow off the paint incredible… in which case you will see traction likely before any investment offers.
    • KittenInABox 3 hours ago |
      A real agency is unlikely to, but can definitely email/phone our of the blue to talk about representation. This is in a few cases: have you gone viral for some reason? Did you win an award somewhere for unagented fiction (short stories, a one-off poem, etc)? Do you have a large existing following in the field and have publicly said you're unagented/working on something an agent can represent you in? Do you already have a significantly successful literary career in the indie/self-published space?

      But generally yes, an agent is not going to contact you randomly.

      • bryanrasmussen 5 minutes ago |
        I mean it's true I said tens of thousands of sales, but I supposed people could understand that as hyperbolically meaning "having a significant level of success already, without an agent", which it seems to me all of your examples are just variations of that particular magical 50-shadeish type of thing.
  • relistan 10 hours ago |
    Interesting info. But neither this, nor the previous post linked from it, explain what exactly the money scam is. I guess the main audience is supposed to know already.
    • gkoberger 10 hours ago |
      Each one explains the scam — book trailers, ghostwriting, book seals and access codes, “relicensing”, etc. High level, they’re each trying to sell nonsense to unsuspecting writers who think they’ve found a publisher for their book.
      • palmfacehn 9 hours ago |
        All variations of advance fee fraud?
        • pjc50 7 hours ago |
          Not quite; it's more selling shovels for a nonexistant gold rush. Lots of people want to "become a Writer" for ego reasons, and it's easy to sell them services that promise to help with that. But even if you're legitimately trying the book market is terrible and most people make nothing.
          • mattmanser 5 hours ago |
            Yeah, but it's no different to trying to become a rock star. And you don't have to be in the 16-24 age bracket. Part of what you're paying for is the dream.

            When I was a naïve young person we did something similar, paying a bit for our track to be on a CD. I've no illusions now, but I still joke I'm a published musician.

            And there are still plenty of ways to become an author if you want. I have a guilty pleasure of LitRPG books, which are generally terrible and riddled with problem authors, but there's a cadre of writers who are making good money.

            They write in a serialized format like Dickens used to. Chapter by chapter, release it for free on RoyalRoad, get traction. Then they package a book up for Kindle Unlimited, take the old chapters off RR apart from some taster chapters, and start a Patreon for advanced access to new chapters.

            There's one series which is absolute trash, Defiance of the Fall, where he's admitted he's dragging the story out as he's making so much money.

    • bryanrasmussen 8 hours ago |
      the scam when preying on writers will always be the same - pay some money here.

      As such it is actually easy to catch out the scammer.

      • magic_smoke_ee 5 hours ago |
        It's easy to catch when the customer is sophisticated. Business-unsophisticated writers looking at random for literary agents may well end-up paying money up-front for zero value services. I had a quick look around, and found this seems to be one sensible rubric: https://aalitagents.org/canon-of-ethics/
    • deeviant 2 hours ago |
      The article did indeed get to where the actual scam is, albeit quite a bit into it.

      These fake agencies obviously give no advance, then push you to buy services related to supposed publishing of your book. 5k this, 10k for that, we're almost ready, just another 15k for xyz and we'll totally pay you that 350k for you book!

  • bsenftner 7 hours ago |
    This is abut literary agencies, but the fake business scam is growing and can be in any industry.
    • magic_smoke_ee 5 hours ago |
      This. LLMs provide very low cost fake content generation capabilities. That makes due-diligence ever more comprehensive and thorough in the absence of a meaningful, proven referral.
  • anarchonurzox 4 hours ago |
    I've seen an increase in both warnings about these kinds of scams and cautionary tales by those who've been burned. I'm glad people are raising awareness, but I worry that this is just one more datapoint toward the overall erosion of online trust.

    It seems like the only way to really combat this is through closed / semi-closed trusted networks, but those tend to become dominated by personalities and difficult for newcomers to break into. The reduced trust in "outside" voices then leads to echo chambers and groupthink. I think we're already starting to see some of this in the kinds of books being put out by the big publishing houses; I don't have hard numbers (and maybe I'm just getting old and cynical) but a lot of recent titles feel extremely generic.

    There's a subplot in Neil Stephenson's Fall (or Dodge in Hell) where media and other networks are so saturated with false, meaningless, clickbaity, or otherwise negative-value content that they become either less than worthless, or require paid "filters" to extract actual value. I'm getting a sense of being close to that point already and I don't know what the right move is from here to reduce the fracturing of my wider social circles.

    • InDubioProRubio 3 hours ago |
      People with stars in their eyes getting taken for a ride by external scam artists instead of whoever is the current Weinstein of that industry thats scandalous. Not really though.
      • cindycindy 3 hours ago |
        potcallingthekettleblacksayswhat
      • bunderbunder 26 minutes ago |
        Two wrongs don't make a right.
    • cobertos 3 hours ago |
      > It seems like the only way to really combat this is through closed / semi-closed trusted networks,

      This is the only way. The cost of spinning up a new identity on the web (with supporting documents, pictures, etc) is near zero now. There's only 3 or 4 things to really vet people, and those can be faked with more effort.

      The only real way to vet someone nowadays is IRL, and that requires non-trivial effort but provides most guarantees you'd want in new participants in an online community.

      > I'm getting a sense of being close to that point already and I don't know what the right move is from here to reduce the fracturing of my wider social circles.

      I have this feeling too. My guess is that social circles will be less fluid and dynamic. Traditional centers of trust will become more important.

      • nradov 31 minutes ago |
        Most people are terrible judges of character and honesty, especially when dealing with psychopaths. Bernie Madoff met most of his victims IRL and they completely trusted him.
        • cobertos 21 minutes ago |
          IRL is definitely not fallible but it's better than the internet-only. To my knowledge there's no way to stop a motivated and skilled actor, like a Bernie Madoff

          It pains me that this feels true as someone chronically online and used to find great use from the internet, but online-only has more failure modes now. There's still ways to do it though.

    • wyager 3 hours ago |
      One of the most useful features of the "early" internet, which has been steadily diminished over the last 30 years, is that internet usage was sort of an implicit IQ test. The entire system was "semi-closed".

      Now that the internet is available to the entire world, including basically anyone with a pulse, that feature is entirely gone.

      • nradov 23 minutes ago |
        Many people on the Internet have completely different world views and moral systems. They think in ways that are fundamentally alien to most of us here. This is largely orthogonal to IQ. For example, in some cultures it's common to find people who would score above average on a standard IQ test and yet they literally believe in magic / ghosts / curses / astrology / etc. It's difficult for us to reconcile that, yet those people exist.
    • slightwinder 2 hours ago |
      > but I worry that this is just one more datapoint toward the overall erosion of online trust.

      What online trust? Internet has always been a prominent source for the most scamy content. You should never trust anything blindly, that is today as valid as it was 30 years ago.

      > It seems like the only way to really combat this is through closed / semi-closed trusted networks,

      Those are open to other levels of scam and abuse. This is not a problem of being open or closed, but whether one has the ability to evaluate their business-partners. And in that regard, open communication has proved itself to be a reliable source of information and to root out scams.

  • flpm 4 hours ago |
    This type of scams prey on the ego of the target. In the attention economy everyone wants to project an aura of expertise. Someone interested in your expertise is just about the perfect bait. Literary agents, publishers, VCs, sponsorships, etc.
  • everybodyknows 3 hours ago |
    Post needs [2024].

    Probably not all the latest fakes, not any longer.

  • quercusa 3 hours ago |
    These people must read a lot of Dan Brown books:

    I am Damon Green, a leading literary agent...

  • daveguy an hour ago |
    I particularly like this part from the final thoughts:

    "solicitation is one of the first and most common signs of a scam these days"

    This is true about most scams these days. So much so that I have been advising non-technical friends and family to stop directly responding to any communication you did not initiate. Instead ask yourself, "how would I go about addressing or confirming this with the supposed source if I hadn't received a message about it?" Also helps with avoiding the encouragement of marketers.