• mibes 10 hours ago |
    Thought for a moment this would be a transcript of the captivating Adam Curtis documentary by the same name.
    • pizza 9 hours ago |
      Same here lol
    • JohnCClarke 8 hours ago |
      Me too!

      How fascinating to know the title came from a poem.

  • mmastrac 9 hours ago |
    I assume this is because of the recent talk "Self Moderls of Loving Grace", which is a fun mashup of cutting edge AI models and philosophy:

    https://events.ccc.de/congress/2024/hub/en/event/self-models...

    • jgrahamc 9 hours ago |
      No, it's because I love poems. I didn't know about that talk.
      • dannyobrien 9 hours ago |
        It's such a beautiful poem, and it's now making me realise how much of a background influence reading Brautigan's <i>Trout Fishing in America</i> as a kid had on me.

        Some other short poems from Brautigan here (not really that representative, but fun): https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/richard-brautigan

      • Thoreandan 8 hours ago |
        Thanks for the post!

        Is your blog intentionally blocked from Internet Archive's Wayback Machine?

  • 4ndrewl 9 hours ago |
    It also features in the Tate Modern's current exhibition "Electric Dreams - Art and Technology Before the Internet"

    https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/electric-dreams

    • jgrahamc 9 hours ago |
      Oh, thanks for that. I should pop into that the next time I'm in London.
  • chaps 9 hours ago |
    This poem feels completely different now than in the 60s, I'm sure. Like it's advocating for a techno optimistic dystopia where nobody, not even animals, can be left alone by the countlessly pervasive benevolent machines of faceless masters.
    • UniverseHacker 8 hours ago |
      This is my personal interpretation- but I think that the modern reading you are implying was very much intended to be the context in which it was written. Brautigan's use of the tone of naive extreme optimism was intended to be ironic and terrifyingly dystopian.

      I'll cite the rest of the work in this same book posted here- none of his poems are shallow, naive, or very optimistic - especially with regard to technology and it's effect on the natural environment.

      I do think he intended to leave the reader wondering if he was serious or not.

    • xsmasher 7 hours ago |
      In isolation it seems pretty utopian and optimistic, but reading a few more of the poems makes me doubt he was really that starry-eyed about the future. The line about rejoining our animal brothers has a faint smell of "the matrix."

      It always reminds me of Donald's Fagan's I.G.Y. - the lyrics are 99% utopian

         Here at home we'll play in the city   
         Powered by the sun   
         Perfect weather for a streamlined world    
         There'll be spandex jackets, one for everyone
      
      With just one hint of trouble brewing

        A just machine to make big decisions      
        Programmed by fellows with compassion and vision      
        We'll be clean when their work is done      
        We'll be eternally free, yes, and eternally young
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOQUzrhTBgw
  • marssaxman 8 hours ago |
    I had been familiar with the title phrase for many years, particularly through its association with industrial music, but did not know there was a whole poem attached to it until I saw it printed up in a little display on the counter of a pop-up cyberpunk ramen bar at a local Burning Man-affiliated festival.
    • jhallenworld 7 hours ago |
      Same, now I'm listening to "Machines of Loving Grace: Butterfly Wings" which I've not heard in a very long time..
  • geuis 8 hours ago |
    I've read the titled poem before but never knew there were others in the collection. They're all really enjoyable.

    I'm not someone that has ever really appreciated or liked poetry too much in general. It's always been presented to me as esoteric word smithing by people trying to be intellectual for the sake of sounding smart.

    But I really enjoy the simple and straight language in these and that they're startling funny.

  • csours 8 hours ago |
    Reminds me of Nothing But Flowers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iiGqBfyLaw

    Feels like a depth optical illusion - the meaning can change based on perspective

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crater_illusion

    Also reminds me of Becky Chambers' Monk and Robot

    • mkaic 8 hours ago |
      Monk and Robot is such a wonderful series. I have often wondered about the "now what" part of living in a hypothetical utopia, and Chambers explores that existential question really thoughtfully.
  • UniverseHacker 8 hours ago |
    This poem is one of the few I've ever read that gives me physical chills. I've read it before of course, but not the rest of the work in the PDF- which was also excellent. Thanks for posting.
  • bee_rider 8 hours ago |
    His poems portray him as a sort of selfish but also very self-aware and basically well intentioned character. The change in tone from poem to poem, and that general vibe makes for an interesting read. They seem very honest.

    It is interesting that Wikipedia describes him as a Hippy. I somehow got it into my head that he was the last beatnik. But, I can’t find any support for this theory in a quick googling, and I’m pretty bad at literature. So, I wonder where I stumbled across that idea.

    • UniverseHacker 8 hours ago |
      > I somehow got it into my head that he was the last beatnik

      One thousand percent, his general attitude reminds me of Gary Snyder aka Japhy Ryder- of course also a famous beat poet. I think nowadays people don't even know what beatnik means.

      Although I wouldn't call him the "last beatnik" - he died 40 years ago and a few of the other original beatniks are still around, and even still writing. I'm good friends with a lesser known original beat poet, a very old guy but fun to talk to.

    • seanicus 6 hours ago |
      If he was publishing as far back as the 50's I'm sure he was familiar with the beat writers and probably interacted with them, not to mention his style feels closer to a bridge between the beats and the hippies. The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test is a great document of the transitory era between the two.
    • UniverseHacker 3 hours ago |
      As an update to my previous comment here is a detailed article I found on Brautigan's complex relationship with the more famous beat poets: https://www.beatdom.com/ginsberg-brautigan/

      In short, he was there in SF doing poetry readings at the same place and time as Ginsberg, Snyder, etc. -and they were regulars at parties he hosted, but it sounds like he felt socially rejected, bullied, and looked down upon by most of the beat social group, and actively refused both the labels beat and hippie. Still, I agree the label fits both in the ideas in his work, and the time and place in which he wrote them.

  • more_corn 7 hours ago |
    What a fabulous collection!
  • noumenon1111 7 hours ago |
    Here, I think I fixed it:

        I hate to think (take
        the bandage off quickly!)
        of a cybernetic ghetto
        where mammals and computers
        strive together in mutually
        destructive chaos
        like pure water
        soaking dead trash.
        
        I hate to think
            (not now, please!)
        of a cybernetic whorehouse;
        Amazon, Google, Microsoft
        exact tolls peacefully
        from computers
        though already paid for,
        for extra "content".
        
        I hate to think
            (it cannot be!)
        of a cybernetic lobotomy
        where we are free of our nature
        and farmed for our labors,
        subjected through mammal
        weakness and instinct,
        and all watched over
        by machines of loving grace.
    • 0_gravitas 6 hours ago |
      i highly recommend the collection __"Poems"__ by Iain Banks + Ken MacLeod if you've never come across it before, this 'rewriting' has a similar energy as some of Banks' poems and I think you might like them

      https://www.amazon.com/Poems-Iain-Banks/dp/1408705877

      • nottorp 5 hours ago |
        And that's why HN is worth reading.

        You randomly browse and someone tells you out of the blue that one of your favourite science fiction authors (who's also written some mainstream lit that you know about) also has a book of poetry...

  • OhMeadhbh 7 hours ago |
    Cool to find out there are poetry fans on HN.
  • lantry 6 hours ago |
    Yes! I was just looking for this a few months ago.

    I know the poem is typically interpreted as ironic, but I like to read it as exceedingly idealistic. The idea that Man, Nature, and Technology can all coexist in harmony is very tantalizing!

  • irq-1 6 hours ago |
    At the California Institute of Technology

        I don't care how God-damn smart
        these guys are: I'm bored.
        
        It's been raining like hell all day long
        and there's nothing to do.
        
            Written January 24, 1967
            while poet-in-residence
            at the California Institute
            of Technology.
  • gausswho 12 minutes ago |
    Wild to read the copyright statement. Gives permission to reprint any of the poems in magazines books or newspapers as long as they are given away free. Like a precursor to the copyleft movement / GPL.